Trump to declare fake national emergency

[chrisrlink]

this shit is scarier than just a wall he're a article on what he could do left unchecked https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/01/presidential-emergency-powers/576418/

 

[SLiV3R]

I understand him. We have a lot of problems of immigrants in Europe.

 

[chrisrlink]

dude i have a feeling the wall is a lie at this point to gain emergency powers such as deploy the military to detain (or even kill) rebels i knew day 1 this would happen

 

[Xzi]

That's .. Indeed a pretty weird reaction. Then again : more proof of incompetence doesn't hurt.

Perhaps even more ridiculous is that he said, "I didn't need to do this," during his declaration of national emergency. Completely undermined his own messaging.

 

[kuwanger]

That's .. Indeed a pretty weird reaction. Then again : more proof of incompetence doesn't hurt.

I wouldn't call it a weird reaction. Donald Trump is engaging in Executive Activism*. He doesn't want Congress to respond with Legislative Activism*. Too bad for Trump, if Congress were to act it'd all be very, very legal. Perhaps Trump is not used to that?

* Like Judicial Activism, when the Executive Branch ignores the spirit/intent/letter of the law and engages in activities it wants to because it think it's right. Usually these are outright crimes.

* Like Judicial Activism, except in this case Congress specifically was granted powers in the Constitution to impeach, convict, or declare incapacitated the President or many other officials. Where it'd be actual Legislative Activism would be declaring by law someone guilty of a crime or trying to remove someone from the Supreme Court--the very few areas where the Congress specifically has no power. Also included would be all the unconstitutional laws that have been written that the courts have struct down, although some would argue on how much that's actually Judicial Activism.

 

[Taleweaver]

Perhaps even more ridiculous is that he said, "I didn't need to do this," during his declaration of national emergency. Completely undermined his own messaging.

OH, that sort of thing I can believe It's just the short of thing he says all the time It's the sort of hidden victim game 'I didn't need to do this but democrats pushed me in this position'. He also crammed a 'I'm proud to do this' in it, didn't he? To a normal person, that would further signal malice, but in the short of reasoning fox uses you have to get the idea that he's talking about boycotting the 'evil' opposition. And ignore the fact that the opposition is now both democrats and Republicans (they just signed an agreement Heck .. Trump signed that agreement as well).

@kuwanger of course he doesn't want to be impeached. Being mad about it is to be expected. But surely downright pissing on the constitution isn't going to change anyone's mind, right?

 

[Deleted User]

I understand him. We have a lot of problems of immigrants in Europe.

So true...
But a wall wont change it. ^^ imagine a wall around Europe. That s a waste of resources and it is useless ... even the Berlin wall was useless and that one was way smaller

 

[kuwanger]

@kuwanger of course he doesn't want to be impeached. Being mad about it is to be expected. But surely downright pissing on the constitution isn't going to change anyone's mind, right?

Two things. One, I don't think Trump even begins to understand the Constitution so he doesn't understand that his actions are downright pissing on it nor would I believe that Trump actually cares per se if he was downright pissing on it; he's hardly the first President to be that way. Two, he's not interested in changing anyone's mind but merely preventing his base from drifting away because it would appear that's the only thing keeping him in office with his otherwise gross incompetence and considering the pretty horrific, by Presidential standards, allegations.

Trump is almost exclusively based upon taking two unrelated things that some people might have some feeling have a relationship and then coming up with a small slogan. It helps feed into the conspiracy mindedness of his base. Anything that doesn't stick, he just stops talking about. His market strategy works really well because he keeps having separate rallies where he can tell each group slightly different material. In short, he's a conspirean--a conspiracy comedian--trying out new material for his act.

 

[SG854]

This is dumb. Mr. Orangatan messed up.

Well fellow Americans, wear your sombreros and get a Taco, because the emergency money is coming out your taxes and you are going to pretend to be Mexicans or Mr. Orange will go into a tantrum.

#notmypresident
#Orangeisn’tthenewblack
#Drumpfisnotmysenpai

 

[Longshot56]

Democrats and Republicans have finally reached a compromise for the spending bill in order to keep the government open and functioning. Thing is, it only includes $1.7 billion for segments of fencing, and so of course Trump is mad that he's the biggest loser in all this. Even though he still plans to sign the spending bill, he also plans to declare a national emergency in order to siphon more wall funds from disaster relief and the military:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47247726

https://apnews.com/24d64c6848864248afb4260cbec499fd

We can likely expect a federal judge to challenge this, but if not, I'm quite amused by the precedent it sets. The next Democratic president will have the authority to declare a national emergency over climate change and the opioid epidemic, which is appropriate because those are real emergencies.

The spending bill is going to be signed this weekend (possibly tomorrow), and Trump is set to declare a national emergency around the same time.

A 70 something year old man acts like a toddler, if he doesn´t get his way, shut down the government. Sorry we aren´t stupid and want you fix opioids and other internal problems

 

[SG854]

Declaring National Emergencies isn’t all too uncommon. For comparison Obama declared 12 national emergencies.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_emergencies_in_the_United_States

It depends on what you define as fake. To some people they don’t see the border issue as an emergency. To others they see it as a big problem that the previous presidents failed to address.

We need not only better border patrol, but also a way to enforce people that over stay after their visa has expired.

Maybe Trump should’ve stopped after the compromise and not declare a national emergency.

People from both sides tend to talk past each other since they don’t address the same thing. One side keeps on saying immigration, while the other is only specifically talking about illegal immigration.

 

[Xzi]

It depends on what you define as fake. To some people they don’t see the border issue as an emergency. To others they see it as a big problem that the previous presidents failed to address.

C'mon SG, when you declare an emergency and then go golfing the next three days in a row, it's a fake emergency. The border is as quiet as it's ever been, and even Republicans along the border don't want the wall. Texas landowners were the first to sue after the emergency declaration. Trump thought calling it an emergency would be the end of it, but he still has to use eminent domain to seize over 1,000 properties. The legal challenges to this may take a decade to resolve, and I assume a different president will have canceled the project by then.

 

[Longshot56]

This is basically Cold War 2. We´re scared of commies and Nazis, and constantly staring at Russia and China with nukes. But they´ll never shoot off.

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Declaring National Emergencies isn’t all too uncommon. For comparison Obama declared 12 national emergencies.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_emergencies_in_the_United_States

It depends on what you define as fake. To some people they don’t see the border issue as an emergency. To others they see it as a big problem that the previous presidents failed to address.

We need not only better border patrol, but also a way to enforce people that over stay after their visa has expired.

Maybe Trump should’ve stopped after the compromise and not declare a national emergency.

People from both sides tend to talk past each other since they don’t address the same thing. One side keeps on saying immigration, while the other is only specifically talking about illegal immigration.

He went golfing for a weekend, because this man is always golfing and not working like he needs to.

 

[Lacius]

C'mon SG, when you declare an emergency and then go golfing the next three days in a row, it's a fake emergency. The border is as quiet as it's ever been, and even Republicans along the border don't want the wall. Texas landowners were the first to sue after the emergency declaration. Trump thought calling it an emergency would be the end of it, but he still has to use eminent domain to seize over 1,000 properties. The legal challenges to this may take a decade to resolve, and I assume a different president will have canceled the project by then.

You forgot to mention the fact that none of Trump's intelligence officials mentioned illegal border crossings during their recent testimony about current security issues.

 

[Taleweaver]

It's time to necrobump this thread a bit: the senate voted to nullify the declaration of an emergency.

I guess this isn't much of a surprise, as one would think that "an emergency" should be about a situation that is in any way dire or pressing for time. Which was never the case for this border situation, as - ironically - even downright admitted by Trump himself.

Unfortunately, it is within the president's power to determine what constituted to being "an emergency", so despite himself saying that he only did it to get around not receiving funds, it was declared as such. It is now rejected...but it wasn't with such a clear margin to stop out the next step in this process. Meaning:

VETO TIME!!!! Wheeeeee!!!!!!


...because what's the point of being the president if you can't overrule everything that others put in your way?


On a more serious note: nothing really out of the ordinary. Sure, some republicans voted along with the democrats, but I doubt a major change will happen on that front.

 

[Xzi]

It's time to necrobump this thread a bit: the senate voted to nullify the declaration of an emergency.

I guess this isn't much of a surprise, as one would think that "an emergency" should be about a situation that is in any way dire or pressing for time. Which was never the case for this border situation, as - ironically - even downright admitted by Trump himself.

Unfortunately, it is within the president's power to determine what constituted to being "an emergency", so despite himself saying that he only did it to get around not receiving funds, it was declared as such. It is now rejected...but it wasn't with such a clear margin to stop out the next step in this process. Meaning:

VETO TIME!!!! Wheeeeee!!!!!!


...because what's the point of being the president if you can't overrule everything that others put in your way?


On a more serious note: nothing really out of the ordinary. Sure, some republicans voted along with the democrats, but I doubt a major change will happen on that front.

Absolutely fucking insane that the president has the power to veto a check on his own power. Between that and his threat against American citizens yesterday, we're definitely witnessing the slow death of Democracy in favor of authoritarianism.

 

[chrisrlink]

you're right a president should be limited on his vetoing powers (this is an example) btw what threat do you mean @ Xzi the only other thing i heard in the news was the NZ mosque shooting

 

[Xzi]

you're right a president should be limited on his vetoing powers (this is an example) btw what threat do you mean @ Xzi the only other thing i heard in the news was the NZ mosque shooting

The threat came during a Breitbart interview.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-how-tough-his-supporters-can-get/3172413002/

"So here’s the thing—it’s so terrible what’s happening,” Trump said before discussing his supporters. “You know, the left plays a tougher game, it’s very funny. I actually think that the people on the right are tougher, but they don’t play it tougher. Okay?"

"I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump – I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad."

He deleted it today after receiving a lot of backlash, but then he went on to repeat a lot of the same language the New Zealand shooter used:

https://theweek.com/speedreads/829486/trump-just-called-immigration-invasion-did-new-zealand-shooter

Does Trump acknowledge the rise of nationalist-inspired violence, though? Of course not.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...tionalism_us_5c8c055fe4b0db7da9f33cd4?m=false


Edit: On the topic of the NZ shooter, I'm extremely disturbed by how much American far-right politics seems to have influenced him. Not much more to say than that at the moment, I'm still kind of working through my feelings on all this.

 

[IncredulousP]

Friendly reminder that Hitler and the Holocaust were democratically established.