Hacking Discussion SXOS emunand the works

[Draxzelex]

it's really not a theory, i have proven that its not detectable.

No you have not. Anything in the NAND, whether the SYS or USER partition, is fair game for Nintendo to scan and thus detectable because the only way to put unsigned files/software in those partitions is by violating the Terms of Service aka modifying the console. An EmuNAND on the SD card is objectively better because files on an SD card indicate nothing; meaning you can insert the same SD card with the same files on an unhacked Switch and it won't be banned because there is no evidence the Switch violated the Terms of Service. The only way for you to prove its undetectable is to analyze the telemetry sent from the console and see if any of them go through the USER partition, which you did not do.

 

[midstor]

No you have not. Just because no one has been banned yet is no proof that it's not detectable. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

for real? just look at the evidence i posted in the thread jesus fucking christ mate

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Lol I’ve been playing online on sysnand and offline on emunand since release. Still good

have fun playing games!

 

[Ashura66]

for real? just look at the evidence i posted in the thread jesus fucking christ mate

What evidence? The only thing you proved is that it works as TX explained, nothing more. You didn't PROVE that it's not detectable. You SAY it's not but you offered no tangible proof to back up your claims. No analysis of telemetry, nothing. I will say again, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Also funny that you chose to ignore the comment that completely and utterly disproves anything you said. Allow me to quote that for you

No you have not. Anything in the NAND, whether the SYS or USER partition, is fair game for Nintendo to scan and thus detectable because the only way to put unsigned files/software in those partitions is by violating the Terms of Service aka modifying the console. An EmuNAND on the SD card is objectively better because files on an SD card indicate nothing; meaning you can insert the same SD card with the same files on an unhacked Switch and it won't be banned because there is no evidence the Switch violated the Terms of Service. The only way for you to prove its undetectable is to analyze the telemetry sent from the console and see if any of them go through the USER partition, which you did not do.

 

[midstor]

What evidence? The only thing you proved is that it works as TX explained, nothing more. You didn't PROVE that it's not detectable. You SAY it's not but you offered no tangible proof to back up your claims. No analysis of telemetry, nothing. I will say again, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Also funny that you chose to ignore the comment that completely and utterly disproves anything you said. Allow me to quote that for you

I proved that nand00 and nand01 are on the USER partition which isn't scanned my Nintendo so its not detectable i also said that it can be fixed in a later update. Please actually read the thread before blindly hating on a post. Thanks <3

 

[Ashura66]

I proved that nand00 and nand01 are on the USER partition which isn't scanned my Nintendo so its not detectable i also said that it can be fixed in a later update. Please actually read the thread before blindly hating on a post. Thanks <3

And, again, you are ignoring the post that completely disproves you.Again, allow me

No you have not. Anything in the NAND, whether the SYS or USER partition, is fair game for Nintendo to scan and thus detectable because the only way to put unsigned files/software in those partitions is by violating the Terms of Service aka modifying the console.

While you did say that nand00 and nand01 are on the USER partition(Which everyone already knew) you offered NO TANGIBLE EVIDENCE that this isn't detectable

 

[midstor]

And, again, you are ignoring the post that completely disproves you.Again, allow me

the whole nand is copied to nand00 and nand01 making Nintendo not be able to see cfw via stock firmware. Please think with common since

 

[Ashura66]

the whole nand is copied to nand00 and nand01 making Nintendo not be able to see cfw via stock firmware. Please think with common since

Again, you are claiming shit without offering tangible evidence. Where is your proof that Nintendo can't detect it? Did you do extensive research on the telemetry sent to Nintendo to be able to make these claims with such certainty? Until you DO such research, you have not proved anything

 

[Kubas_inko]

the whole nand is copied to nand00 and nand01 making Nintendo not be able to see cfw via stock firmware. Please think with common since

SO if they implement something, which will look actively look for .bin, they still can't detect it? Please, think before saying something.
They might not be detecting it now, but it is detectable.

 

[midstor]

Again, you are claiming shit without offering tangible evidence. Where is your proof that Nintendo can't detect it? Did you do extensive research on the telemetry sent to Nintendo to be able to make these claims with such certainty? Until you DO such research, you have not proved anything

I looked at the switchbrew page, nothing details viewing root of USER for the files.

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SO if they implement something, which will look actively look for .bin, they still can't detect it? Please, think before saying something.
They might not be detecting it now, but it is detectable.

I fucking said that at the current time it cant be detected meaning that a system update can make it detectable

 

[DiscostewSM]

But wouldn't the existence of files in a folder that shouldn't have any files in it (not including subfolders) be easily detectable?

 

[midstor]

But wouldn't the existence of files in a folder that shouldn't have any files in it (not including subfolders) be easily detectable?

In a new update, yes.
the current firmware (6.0.1) no.

 

[linuxares]

If Nintendo send a check on NandSize, it's game over for your Switch.
This is easily detectable, might even be detectable right now. We don't know for sure.

If they had a PROPER EmuNAND it would been on an external device (SD card?) and the original NAND untouched.

 

[xabier]

No you have not. Anything in the NAND, whether the SYS or USER partition, is fair game for Nintendo to scan and thus detectable because the only way to put unsigned files/software in those partitions is by violating the Terms of Service aka modifying the console. An EmuNAND on the SD card is objectively better because files on an SD card indicate nothing; meaning you can insert the same SD card with the same files on an unhacked Switch and it won't be banned because there is no evidence the Switch violated the Terms of Service. The only way for you to prove its undetectable is to analyze the telemetry sent from the console and see if any of them go through the USER partition, which you did not do.

Well, yeah jpg files are signed software (sig).

 

[AsmodeusML]

Well, yeah jpg files are signed software (sig).

You know well what was meant. Having small .jpg files where they should be is one thing, having huge-ass files in sysNAND used to launch separate CFW is asking for trouble potentially

 

[guitarheroknight]

If Nintendo send a check on NandSize, it's game over for your Switch.
This is easily detectable, might even be detectable right now. We don't know for sure.

If they had a PROPER EmuNAND it would been on an external device (SD card?) and the original NAND untouched.

The nand size is exactly the same as before as far as I know. Proper is a subjective term in this case since the said emunand does actually emulate the entire os, just on the same piece of hardware which in terms is the greatest flaw of them all in regards of bricks.

But then again, even a "proper" emunand wouldn't make much of the difference since Nintendo does not ban the NAND but rather the cert which is visible and shared on both nands. That being said an SD card emunand is no different than the one on the NAND chip since both of them are equally vurnable to bans. The thing that's risky though on SX's method is the fact that you could i guess brick your console more easily if you were to fuck with it.

 

[Yami Anubis ZX]

No you have not. Anything in the NAND, whether the SYS or USER partition, is fair game for Nintendo to scan and thus detectable because the only way to put unsigned files/software in those partitions is by violating the Terms of Service aka modifying the console. An EmuNAND on the SD card is objectively better because files on an SD card indicate nothing; meaning you can insert the same SD card with the same files on an unhacked Switch and it won't be banned because there is no evidence the Switch violated the Terms of Service. The only way for you to prove its undetectable is to analyze the telemetry sent from the console and see if any of them go through the USER partition, which you did not do.

That's also illegal for Nintendo to do aswell whether it's TOS or not, that's spying in another term and companies aren't allowed to do that whatsoever even with your authority, don't give me your holier than thou bullcrap, you may hate Xecuter but SciresM is exactly as bad, if not worse, just hiding behind words making him look like he's great when all he has done is destroyed this scene.

Those that defend him are just as bad and those that defend Nintendo for spying on people's hardware, even if you don't agree to there TOS are corporate stooges, Corporations aren't gonna be around forever you know, Nintendo might, in another form like they have been doing but world changes every so often.

 

[midstor]

That's also illegal for Nintendo to do aswell whether it's TOS or not, that's spying in another term and companies aren't allowed to do that whatsoever even with your authority, don't give me your holier than thou bullcrap, you may hate Xecuter but SciresM is exactly as bad, if not worse, just hiding behind words making him look like he's great when all he has done is destroyed this scene.

Those that defend him are just as bad and those that defend Nintendo for spying on people's hardware, even if you don't agree to there TOS are corporate stooges, Corporations aren't gonna be around forever you know, Nintendo might, in another form like they have been doing but world changes every so often.

If it was illegal for nintendo to spy on the hardware and software, bans couldn't be a thing so basically all major companies could be shut down. It is illegal to collect data such as IP etc without users consent.

 

[Ashura66]

That being said an SD card emunand is no different than the one on the NAND chip since both of them are equally vurnable to bans

Actually no, no they are not, as you aren't doing anything illegal by placing files on the SD card, while modifying files on the actual NAND(Adding, replacing, changing in any way, shape or form) is. So an EMUNAND on the SD card is much less vulnerable since, ASAWK, Nintendo doesn't get telemetry on what you have on the SD card, only the NAND

 

[Don Jon]

If Nintendo send a check on NandSize, it's game over for your Switch.
This is easily detectable, might even be detectable right now. We don't know for sure.

If they had a PROPER EmuNAND it would been on an external device (SD card?) and the original NAND untouched.

"IF"

 

[Ashura66]

That's also illegal for Nintendo to do aswell whether it's TOS or not, that's spying in another term and companies aren't allowed to do that whatsoever even with your authority, don't give me your holier than thou bullcrap, you may hate Xecuter but SciresM is exactly as bad, if not worse, just hiding behind words making him look like he's great when all he has done is destroyed this scene.

Those that defend him are just as bad and those that defend Nintendo for spying on people's hardware, even if you don't agree to there TOS are corporate stooges, Corporations aren't gonna be around forever you know, Nintendo might, in another form like they have been doing but world changes every so often.

No, it's definitely NOT illegal for them to get telemetry on your system. they cant get your PERSONAL data but data on your system? totally within the law for them to receive. As for the rest of your comment don't be retarded. Draxzelex isn't giving any sort of hate towards TX, nor have they ever done so in any comment. Explaining how something works or what someone is doing wrong isn't the same as hating. And how has SciresM destroyed the scene exactly? By making an actually competent CFW using their own hard work and not by copying stuff of someone else? Oh please, if anyone is acting holier than thou here is you, cut the BS

"IF"

At this point it's more of a "when" and less of an "if"