What's your stance on same-sex marriage and adoption?

[spectral]

So in other words, the only thing that matters for the human race is reproduction in your opinion. If everyone thought like that, I can guarantee we'd go extinct.

EDIT: Let me be clear; I'd argue that the nature of the human race is propogation of knowledge, not genetic information. There's enough humans in the world that non-related people can inherit another's will and research as the case may be. That is how we as a species move forward. Genetic information does not drive the human race forwards towards a better future nor does it solve important problems at play today. If the only thing that mattered was reproduction, we might as well all be amoebae and reproduce through mitosis.

This has to be one of the dumbest things I have read. Genetic's absolutely drives any species forward, it is literally how we evolved and continue to do so.

 

[osm70]

Just playing devils advocate here but...

Many people have been born with extra digits on their hands and feet or other strange mutations, that does not make it normal.

Whenever I discus with people that there are 2 sexes and they want to argue about the oddball hermaphrodites and strange shit like that, I ask them "How many fingers do humans have on each hand"? The response is always "5 fingers" or more correctly "4 fingers and a thumb". See, and now that person proved my point. Even though MANY people are born with extra digits, we all know that what is normal is for a person to have 4 fingers and a thumb. What is normal is just male and female. Trying to ever say "Yeah, but this type of condition that extremely rarely occurs is still a thing that we need to account for". No, we are talking about generally how things are. Lets not muddy it up with talking about the freak genetic changes that rarely happen.

Shit. I think I am losing the point of my argument here. It's far too early in the morning for me.

OK, let's talk about fingers. Sure, you can say that having 8 fingers is not normal. But saying that people with 8 fingers deserve to have their human rights revoked makes you a bad person.

And this is exactly what some people say about people with other "abnormalities".

 

[AtsuNii]

That is where you are wrong. When a species reproduces genetics have more chances to continue improving. When that combination happens there are chances that the best traits are passed to the next generation, and you get individuals with stronger muscles, more immunity towards sicknesses, more intelligence...

And as it is some people will get that others won't. Part of the cycle. No need to start saying "only people of certain physical strength and beauty standards can reproduce from now on...."

Indeed our genetics keep improving, but it rather sounds like you're stuck in the savage ages instead of the civilized world we live in now. You also got a fair amount of people that don't even want to reproduce, including straight people. That is no reason however to prevent people from being happy together or trying to raise another persons child that was unwanted. Straight, gay or whatever they might be, they might very well raise the child better then several other people who reproduce naturally.

 

[chaoskagami]

That is where you are wrong. When a species reproduces genetics have more chances to continue improving. When that combination happens there are chances that the best traits are passed to the next generation, and you get individuals with stronger muscles, more immunity towards sicknesses, more intelligence...

And as it is some people will get that others won't. Part of the cycle. No need to start saying "only people of certain physical strength and beauty standards can reproduce from now on...."

Humanity is past the point where genetics make a huge difference, unless you think physics textbooks and code can be passed down by genetics. Arguably, the point of evolution is to increase survivability. Guess what? We happen to be sitting on a mountain at the top of the food pyramid, and the only obvious things that outlive us are trees and some species of birds. There's not much to improve here.

Just playing devils advocate here but...

Many people have been born with extra digits on their hands and feet or other strange mutations, that does not make it normal.

Whenever I discus with people that there are 2 sexes and they want to argue about the oddball hermaphrodites and strange shit like that, I ask them "How many fingers do humans have on each hand"? The response is always "5 fingers" or more correctly "4 fingers and a thumb". See, and now that person proved my point. Even though MANY people are born with extra digits, we all know that what is normal is for a person to have 4 fingers and a thumb. What is normal is just male and female. Trying to ever say "Yeah, but this type of condition that extremely rarely occurs is still a thing that we need to account for". No, we are talking about generally how things are. Lets not muddy it up with talking about the freak genetic changes that rarely happen.

Shit. I think I am losing the point of my argument here. It's far too early in the morning for me.

That's alright, it's early. The point here is that it's silly to hate people with nine fingers and try to make their life impossible just because you hate people with nine fingers. Furthermore, I've never seen someone with nine fingers, so it's not my place to say anything on the subject.

 

[BlastedGuy9905]

If they are happy, it's all good. I honestly don't see how some people can be so blind and completely reject same gender marriage.

 

[The Catboy]

The issue is not the bullying those people receive. Children bully other children for any reason. Be it they are fat, ugly, have wider eyes, or shorter arms or whatever you can think of. The solution comes from what stance you take against that.

Issue is that you always expect someone else to protect you and if they don't you cry or say this is not fair and blame others.

Well, welcome to the world. Fight for your own and move forward. Time will not stop for you so you'd better do something about it

Don't try to move the goalpost. You haven't refuted my comments, you simply moved around them. Studies have shown that children raised with same-sex parents end up just fine and without any of issues you purposed.
https://cola.unh.edu/sites/cola.unh.edu/files/student-journals/ShelbyChamberlin.pdf
Equally studies have also shown that bullying LGBT kids and or kids of LGBT families have a negative effect on kids.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...parents-do-as-well-as-their-peers-study-shows
Please refute these studies.

 

[AtsuNii]

Well, let's see. I don't want to marry, same-sex or otherwise. And I don't want children, adoption or otherwise. So, am I anti both?

Depends if you just see this vision for yourself or you want others to follow suit. For just not wanting yourself doesnt have to mean you're anti-both. I myself don't want to any childeren either, but that doesnt change the fact that I could very well see proper childeren get a better chance at people who want to raise one then in an orphanage.

 

[chaoskagami]

Don't try to move the goalpost. You haven't refuted my comments, you simply moved around them. Studies have shown that children raised with same-sex parents end up just fine and without any of issues you purposed.
https://cola.unh.edu/sites/cola.unh.edu/files/student-journals/ShelbyChamberlin.pdf
Equally studies have also shown that bullying LGBT kids and or kids of LGBT families have a negative effect on kids.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...parents-do-as-well-as-their-peers-study-shows
Please refute these studies.

I really wish Logic/Reasoning 101 was a mandatory class. These kinds of topics would be far better if people avoided fallacies.

 

[blackwrensniper]

Just playing devils advocate here but...

Many people have been born with extra digits on their hands and feet or other strange mutations, that does not make it normal.

Whenever I discus with people that there are 2 sexes and they want to argue about the oddball hermaphrodites and strange shit like that, I ask them "How many fingers do humans have on each hand"? The response is always "5 fingers" or more correctly "4 fingers and a thumb". See, and now that person proved my point. Even though MANY people are born with extra digits, we all know that what is normal is for a person to have 4 fingers and a thumb. What is normal is just male and female. Trying to ever say "Yeah, but this type of condition that extremely rarely occurs is still a thing that we need to account for". No, we are talking about generally how things are. Lets not muddy it up with talking about the freak genetic changes that rarely happen.

Shit. I think I am losing the point of my argument here. It's far too early in the morning for me.

Yeah, no. You may personally want to boil things down to one thing or one other thing but the world, people and especially genetics are orders of magnitudes more complicated. Being reductive doesn't make you any more right by any means. Just because the people you ask your stupid question to don't try to be hyper specific doesn't mean there aren't people out there that can explain the millions of genetic variances people can have --- and importantly those people are more right than somebody that generalizes.

Same with sexuality, gender, marriage or partnership.

Lastly if you are against gay marriage or adoption you are thankfully on the wrong side of history and you and your ilk are a dying breed.

 

[YetoJesse]

All to make sure overpopulation comes to a halt.

Seriously though, I couldn't care less. as long as it's someone else's life, it's fine by me.
I don't get why it needs to be a subject to begin with.

And in all honesty, if 2 guys or gals get married and love each other etcetc, than that's good for them.
The fact that I don't see it the same as an opposite sex relationship is my issue.
The only thing I can't stand are people that are 'overly gay' and in your face about it, but can't handle a rude joke with a wink...
Honestly, get that thing out of your ass and laugh.

But those are my two cents on the matter...



Also read something about adoption and how same-sex couples shouldn't or something?
Yeah, no, I love how my dad left because of alcohol and seeing my mom struggle to get round.
Those were the best years of my life, really....

All jokes aside, if she happened to be gay somewhere halfway and that woman could give me at least a quarter of what 'Dad' gave me.... well, 'Dad' took and promised more than he gave in the end...

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And anything gender related, imho, comes down to either the gynaecologist or a prostate exam.
I don't do special snowflaky shit.

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Don't try to move the goalpost. You haven't refuted my comments, you simply moved around them. Studies have shown that children raised with same-sex parents end up just fine and without any of issues you purposed.
https://cola.unh.edu/sites/cola.unh.edu/files/student-journals/ShelbyChamberlin.pdf
Equally studies have also shown that bullying LGBT kids and or kids of LGBT families have a negative effect on kids.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...parents-do-as-well-as-their-peers-study-shows
Please refute these studies.

I giggled at: "Equally studies have also shown that bullying LGBT kids and or kids of LGBT families have a negative effect on kids."

The use of 'Bullying someone has a negative effect on them'.

"Caaaaaaarl. People die when you kill them, Carl...."

 

[erikas]

My views might seem strange. So i oppose marrige. Both gay and straigt. As far as i can see it's just a means to deprive men of their wealth. Why did homosexuals want it is beyond me. As for adoption, i support gay couples adopting, but oppose lesbian couples adopting. And while no study has been done that puts gays and lesbians in different groups, because how dare you say that men and women are different you mysoginist bigot, the fact is, there are things men can give that women can not. Almost every school shooter has been raised by a single mother. Another thing is, black people commit most of the crime, and they also have an epidemic of single mothers. To sum up, children should be raised by men.

 

[kuwanger]

Because you don't want it for yourself (which is fair), are you willing to deny that right to others?

I think you're missing the point. The question wasn't "What's your stand on [other people and] same-sex marriage and adoption?" Now, I presume that was the actual intent, but if you actually believe that it is in fact a right to marry or adopt regardless of sexual orientation, then it's not really something for which you can be pro or anti meaningfully. But just because you do or don't marry/adopt doesn't necessarily make you pro or anti either--the reason that marriage and child raising are considered rights is part of what makes a person irregardless of their willful desire or rational deduction. It's sort of like asking if you're pro or anti breathing and eating.

 

[Viri]

I don't care about either. But, if you have 2 dads/moms, you better not tell any students in school, or they're going to bully the fuck out of you.

 

[KingVamp]

Yeah, you really shouldn't be generalizing people and dictating their lives just simply base on what you do or don't find attractive.

Also, genetic engineering, let alone transhumanism as a whole, is throwing in a monkey wrench when it comes to genetics.

Kids should ideally be brought up in a household with a Man and women and other kids + pets. That way they can fully develop as nature intended.

I didn't know having pets, is what nature intended.

While I'm at it, I'd like to point out that male !=XY and female != XX. There's quite a few other chromosomal layouts that can naturally occur, and it is in fact possible for XX males to exist and vice versa under natural conditions. So if someone here wants to argue genetics, don't.

Exceptions to the rules, doesn't mean XY and XX aren't typically tied to male and female. Of course, as said, we shouldn't be trying to make their lives harder, if they just happened to be the exception.

 

[lolboy]

...I'd rather have good gay parents, instead of shitty hetero ones, or no parents at all.

This is wrong. This is said by many pro-gay people. Trying to paint an picture in which gay never do bad and are perfect. I am sorry, but I know plenty gay people that are bad.


edit: I correct myself. I did not read "or no parents at all." part. My mistake.

 

[chaoskagami]

My views might seem strange. So i oppose marrige. Both gay and straigt. As far as i can see it's just a means to deprive men of their wealth. Why did homosexuals want it is beyond me. As for adoption, i support gay couples adopting, but oppose lesbian couples adopting. And while no study has been done that puts gays and lesbians in different groups, because how dare you say that men and women are different you mysoginist bigot, the fact is, there are things men can give that women can not. Almost every school shooter has been raised by a single mother. Another thing is, black people commit most of the crime, and they also have an epidemic of single mothers. To sum up, children should be raised by men.

To be honest, I can't find a single thing to argue, because there's so much wrong there I don't even want to open that can of worms up. Did you forget a /s?

This is wrong. This is said by many pro-gay people. Trying to paint an picture in which gay never do bad and are perfect. I am sorry, I know plenty gay people that are pretty bad.

There's nothing wrong with what he said, though. It's a fact that shitty parents exist regardless of all other factors; he merely stated that having good gay parents would be better than having shitty heterosexual parents or none at all. He didn't exclude the possibility of shitty gay parents existing, nor good heterosexual parents.

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Exceptions to the rules, doesn't mean XY and XX aren't typically tied to male and female. Of course, as said, we shouldn't be trying to make their lives harder, if they just happened to be the exception.

Typically, but when someone tries the "men are men and women are women gentically" thing, it's not that damn simple if you define "male" and "female" by genetics. 1/1000 males are XYY, for example, and that's a statistically significant number.

 

[lolboy]

To be honest, I can't find a single thing to argue, because there's so much wrong there I don't even want to open that can of worms up. Did you forget a /s?



There's nothing wrong with what he said, though. It's a fact that shitty parents exist regardless of all other factors; he merely stated that having good gay parents would be better than having shitty heterosexual parents or none at all. He didn't exclude the possibility of shitty gay parents existing, nor good heterosexual parents.

So it is not wrong if I said: I'd rather have good hetro parents instead of shitty gay ones.

 

[chaoskagami]

So it is not wrong if I said: I'd rather have good hetro parents instead of shitty gay ones.

Of course not. Who would want shitty parents? Again though, parenting aptitude has nothing to do with sexual orientation.

 

[KingVamp]

This is wrong. This is said by many pro-gay people. Trying to paint an picture in which gay never do bad and are perfect. I am sorry, I know plenty gay people that are pretty bad.

That is not what he said. There wasn't any generalizing in that statement.

If anything, it is the other way around that some people keep saying. That a straight couple is automatically better than any other family unit/configuration.

 

[osm70]

So it is not wrong if I said: I'd rather have good hetro parents instead of shitty gay ones.

I agree.
Saying that is not wrong.