We got a glimpse of some new information about Nintendo's Switch Online Service yesterday during the Direct, but most of what was shown there was already known. To help shed a little more light on just what a subscription entails, Nintendo put a FAQ up on their site. The details are as follows:

• As already stated before the Direct, all Switch users (used to be only launch users) can get a 7 day free trial. This gives you access to online, voice chat, cloud saves, and the NES games.
• Those two wireless NES controllers are only purchasable if you have a current paid Nintendo Switch Online sub.
• The full list of 20 playable NES games for subscribers was revealed: Soccer, Tennis, Donkey Kong, Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros. 1 and 3, Balloon Fight, Ice Climber, Dr. Mario, The Legend of Zelda, Double Dragon, River City Ransom, Ghost's N Goblins, Tecmo Bowl, Gradius, Pro Wrestling, Excitebike, Yoshi, Ice Hockey, and Baseball.
• Each month, a new set of games will be added to the group.
• October will add NES Open Golf, Solomon's Key, and Super Dodge Ball
• November additions are Mighty Bomb Jack, Twinbee, and Metroid.
• December brings Wario's Woods, Adventures of Lolo, and Ninja Gaiden.
• Additionally, if you ever lapse in your subscription, you will lose all cloud data. "Save data stored with Save Data Cloud cannot be kept outside of the duration of your Nintendo Switch Online membership." If you cancel or let it expire, you'll lose all data saved on the cloud.
• If you play the NES games, you need to check in every 7 days by going online to verify your account.

Source: Nintendo UK
Source: Nintendo of America

 

[M7L7NK7]

"Save data stored with Save Data Cloud cannot be kept outside of the duration of your Nintendo Switch Online membership."

NINTENOD WHAT ARE YOU THINKING !!!!!

Man.... definitively the lost and damned of the big three. I would rather pay twice the price than supporting this anti consumer sh** practice they throw at us and yet they complain about piracy, WTF?!?!?!?!

Yeah you show Nintenod who's boss

 

[DeslotlCL]

The worst thing about PlayStation Plus, is the shit games no one wants that they offer for free each month..

But even that is better than what I'm seeing from Nintendo.

Eh, this year have been pretty decent http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2018/08/guide_all_free_ps_plus_games_in_2018

That is something that nintendo will NEVER offer.

 

[DSAndi]

Lol Nintendo, im kinda glad i dont buy anything from them anymore. The Wii was the last console from em ( and i skipped the Gamecube before ) and they could not deliver or offer the games i wanted to play.

Nintendo was always only after the money, kept customers pay premium on additional Hardware and paying serveral times for the same game.

This new online playing subsription is only another piece of example how Nintendo treats paying customers.

 

[CeeDee]

Except, people are going to pay for it regardless, because it's that, or never play online. Even if it's the worst service in the world, they still will get tons of people paying.

Thaaaaat's me. I don't give much of a shit, $20/y for Splatoon online and NES games seems cool by me.

 

[SwaGoat]

Thaaaaat's me. I don't give much of a shit, $20/y for Splatoon online and NES games seems cool by me.

I mean,I was thinking by that way too,but since I don't have Splatoon 2 (the only online game I have is Mario Kart 8 Deluxe,which frankly,I didn't play much,especially online) I think I'd rather avoid it,as a rebellion of some kind,even though 1 person not buying isn't probably going to change anything.If Nintendo sees however that people are dissatisfied by that service,I really do hope they change the terms of it.The NES games can probably wait,you get all of them,even if you get them 5 months after,and it's NES games,making it almost not worth to me,I'd prefer waiting untill SNES at WORST case scenario (not releasing n64 or gamecube VC is a dick move)

 

[CeeDee]

I mean,I was thinking by that way too,but since I don't have Splatoon 2 (the only online game I have is Mario Kart 8 Deluxe,which frankly,I didn't play much,especially online) I think I'd rather avoid it,as a rebellion of some kind,even though 1 person not buying isn't probably going to change anything.If Nintendo sees however that people are dissatisfied by that service,I really do hope they change the terms of it.The NES games can probably wait,you get all of them,even if you get them 5 months after,and it's NES games,making it almost not worth to me,I'd prefer waiting untill SNES at WORST case scenario (not releasing n64 or gamecube VC is a dick move)

Nintendo isn't giving you GameCube games for $20 a year.

 

[SwaGoat]

Nintendo isn't giving you GameCube games for $20 a year.

Yes,but they're not giving me proper online service/cloud saves either

 

[Huntereb]

Nintendo isn't giving you GameCube games for $20 a year.

You're right, they're not giving us GameCube games period. Thanks for ditching virtual console for paywalled NES games, Nintendo!

 

[kuwanger]

Don't worry, Gamecube is now a "classic" system. You know what that means? HD remakes! Of a select few "best of" games, of course. Mostly Nintendo games. Especially the questionable quality ones. But in HD!

I do find it funny, though, when it's considered "entitlement" to have some way to backup saves. Yea, it's a relatively new concept, but it's also the sort of standard thing you would come to expect at the point where you have things like large internal rewritable storage. The same with being able to backup your digital downloads and to be able to sell/trade them with another person. The only reason people actual then complain about having to pay for cloud storage is because there's no local way to make backups (without hacking the console).

Hacking the console, of course, really shouldn't be the "expected" thing, but really the mentality of Nintendo really does argue it should be. Then Nintendo will no longer have a "closed" system and of course their whole piracy fears are more magnified by their actions. It's the sort of thing that reminds me of, "The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers."

This really does make me wonder, just how viable would it be to make an open source Nintendo server clone? I imagine it'd depend a lot on the game, as the p2p ones would be a lot more doable. I do know that if such a project were attempted, it would have to be based outside the US. The US courts have ruled pretty consistently that most server cloning is illegal, which seems outright insane to me. *sigh*

 

[A Plus Ric]

Lol Nintendo, im kinda glad i dont buy anything from them anymore. The Wii was the last console from em ( and i skipped the Gamecube before ) and they could not deliver or offer the games i wanted to play.

Nintendo was always only after the money, kept customers pay premium on additional Hardware and paying serveral times for the same game.

This new online playing subsription is only another piece of example how Nintendo treats paying customers.

Nintendo has tried to have backwards compatibility on as many systems as possible up until the switch. And instead of forcing you to buy all these games for 5 to 20 dollars Each, they offer you them free with their service which costs a literal 5 cents US per day to have. 5 Cents. "oh noes my saves don't save" Your saves will save on your switch. What is the problem here? Ya'll just want more free shit. When they offered free shit on their old systems "oh they are trash they can't do online for shit" so they fix it and want some fees for the upkeep Probably not even profiting off it. So lets bash on em some more cuz we are sad at 5 cents a day.

 

[Metoroid0]

wow so many nes games, 20 games to be exact...from that amount idk how can i even choose...

also im so glad i will RENT them!

WOW!!!

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Nintendo's online really seems like a sham.

Except, people are going to pay for it regardless, because it's that, or never play online. Even if it's the worst service in the world, they still will get tons of people paying.

Yeah, pay to rent them...
also they always did get ton of people playing, thag was never an issue with nintwndo.

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They can easily fit ALL of their NES games ever made for the system onto one card and make that a collection of nes nes s to play offline. just stick a cartradge and choose ANY nes game you want. i would gladly pay for THAT!

But now, if i wan this handfull of nes games i MUST play online service just to rent them.... i just have no words, there is nothing to say if you defend this...

 

[jimmyj]

welp I don't need it or want it and I'm banned anyway.

 

[Metoroid0]

"Save data stored with Save Data Cloud cannot be kept outside of the duration of your Nintendo Switch Online membership."

Save data wont be available if i don't pay them?!
I got some GC, PS2, PS1 memory cards that has save files that last for years now and i don't pay monthly just to have them there!

This is big, fat, stinky, wet, sticky BS that needs to be dumbed somewhere else, if you ask me!

 

[Kigiru]

I have no problem with paying for online play, but not for service of this quality.
- Cloud Service is a horrible mess. Not only it does not work with all of the games, but also have no time to be downloaded after user stops using online services.
- NES Games? Like... these almost 40 years old games that are floating on the internet for completely free and can be easly played on some modern refrigerators and toasters?
- Lol these joypads.
- Lol this trial that is basicaly useless.

Like, i'm not angry because there's nothing to be angry about but comparing it to Sony's and Microsoft's services (way more expensive, but have way more ACTUAL BENEFITS) or even Steam (completely free and gives plenty of promotions and freebies, but without cloud storage) this is underwhelming as hell.

 

[SwaGoat]

I have no problem with paying for online play, but not for service of this quality.
- Cloud Service is a horrible mess. Not only it does not work with all of the games, but also have no time to be downloaded after user stops using online services.
- NES Games? Like... these almost 40 years old games that are floating on the internet for completely free and can be easly played on some modern refrigerators and toasters?
- Lol these joypads.
- Lol this trial that is basicaly useless.

Like, i'm not angry because there's nothing to be angry about but comparing it to Sony's and Microsoft's services (way more expensive, but have way more ACTUAL BENEFITS) or even Steam (completely free and gives plenty of promotions and freebies, but without cloud storage) this is underwhelming as hell.

Well Nintendo tried taking down some ROMs,but honestly,if they think they did (or will) get down every rom,they're laughably wrong.
On another note,steam does have cloud saves,but they're not on every game.
Nintendo's Online Service is something to be angry about for the sole reason of:
you pay for things that should be free

 

[Kourin]

It's hillarious to see that the Wii U had
-Virtual Console complete with games up to N64 minus Gameboy and GBC
-Miiverse, included a way to communicate with your friendslist
-An internet browser
-Apps like Netflix and YouTube
-An eShop that seemed to have care put into it including optional music
-Probably more I can't think of

Yet the Switch doesn't have any of those things and Nintendo wants payment for this service. How do you as a company take a step this far bloody back?

 

[Deleted-401606]

Iffy much?
Really people, if I were you I would not give a single cent to Nintendo.
The service itself is atrocious and the catalogue of games available from older consoles is a fucking joke.

I don't get why people keep supporting this kind of shit to be honest.
Besides it's not like there are many good online games on the console.
And those that are free to play will continue to be even after the Online Service goes live (like Fortnite and others).

Every nintendo generation is the same thing tbh. I bought the switch a year ago and own exactly one game on it.

 

[Jonna]

Just thought I would post this interesting tidbit that Satoru Iwata said once:

"I don't think its reasonable to make someone pay for a game and then make them prepare a network connection and charge a monthly fee"

 

[Taleweaver]

I haven't read the entire thread, but aside the - absolutely justified - complaint that your save games get hidden behind a pay wall, it's mostly personal taste. And for the price, I wouldn't mind.

But I'm turned off by the selection of games. NES games .. AGAIN. They pushed it on the wii, ds, 3ds and wiiu. Then yet again on the nes mini. It's amazing that the latter still sold, because I'm sure that there are toasters that can emulate the NES at this point. They've got a more than decent lineup of indie games in their library. Games that actually make use of this "exotic new online thingy", no less. Would it kill them to have a few of those in the mix?

But no ... Now you get games with your online service that were made before "internet" was a word. All so a few hardcore fans (assuming they still exist outside of Nintendo's staff) can have YET ANOTHER way to relive their childhood..

 

[Kafkaus00]

Wtf ! Really Nintendo ? If I cancel my sub you just erase my saves ? How is that even legal ? It’s robbery plain and simple... At least PsN keep the saves for 6 months... We are in 2018 and Nintendo is making us pay 20$ a year to back up saves, wow...

Wow I didn’t believe you could be more shittier than this Nintendo but you did it! No online for me. F*** you Nintendo.