Where do you fall on the political spectrum?

[TotalInsanity4]

Again, I don't agree with or condone eugenics, but I want to chime in here. I at least partly see both sides here. He said earlier that he would leave those to die that couldnt survive on their own even if provided with food water and shelter. This doesn't apply to someone that lost their legs and works at a bar or someone in a wheelchair that requires a ramp. This applies to the catatonic, guadriplegic, non-responsive/non-verbal retardation. For those of you that don't know, I'm a male nurse currently working ltc. I work with these types of people every day. You would be surprised how often these people beg for death and morphine. They have zero quality of life. And often resources and help is so short that they don't get the full care they require on a daily basis.

As for the point of "leaving them to die" being worse than "extermination". That's basic human rights. The current law requires leaving them to suffer and die. There was a woman I read about (dont remember who or when, sorry) had a set of twins that went catatonic in early childhood for some reason. They spent 20 some years stuck in a bed with feeding tubes, caths, and ostomy bags. They were nothing but hunks of unmoving flesh and trapped minds.

The mother fought for years to have them euthanized but because of the " simple, bitch" human rights laws, she could only remove forms of life support, ie. feeding tubes. And let them suffer for weeks until they died of starvation.

Like I said, I don't agree with eugenics, controlled breeding or genocide, or whatever weird standards @guicrith would have, but some of societies standards for kindness and "human rights" are a bit fucked up. Because of my experience I can at least partly see where he's coming from. I would challenge you to question your own standards of morality as well.

The law doesn't currently allow for assisted suicide by injection? I could have sworn that was a big controversy when someone legally did that just recently...

 

[WeedZ]

The law doesn't currently allow for assisted suicide by injection? I could have sworn that was a big controversy when someone legally did that just recently...

AFAIK, there are a couple states that have introduced euthanasia. But it has so much red tape that it would be near impossible to get. I did hear of someone receiving it recently as well, but I heard its a pill form.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

AFAIK, there are a couple states that have introduced euthanasia. But it has so much red tape that it would be near impossible to get. I did hear of someone receiving it recently as well, but I heard its a pill form.

Mm

I personally believe that if a person genuinely is suffering and has articulated (or previously articulated) that they don't want to be confined to a bed for the rest of their life, they should have the right to a humane injection. But that should be by their choice, because history has given us a very stark example of what happens when a party acting in their own twisted interest decides to make that decision for people

 

[WeedZ]

Mm

I personally believe that if a person genuinely is suffering and has articulated (or previously articulated) that they don't want to be confined to a bed for the rest of their life, they should have the right to a humane injection. But that should be by their choice, because history has given us a very stark example of what happens when a party acting in their own twisted interest decides to make that decision for people

What about people that can't communicate it

 

[KingVamp]

Since we are using extreme examples, if I put in my will that I don't want any kind of euthanasia, would I still be left to die, if he had his way?

 

[TotalInsanity4]

What about people that can't communicate it

Then all I can say is that that's a discussion more people should be having and including in their will

 

[JiveTheTurkey]

John McCain just died today. A very outspoken republican against Trump.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/25/politics/john-mccain-obituary/index.html

 

[Hanafuda]

Regardless of political persuasion, I'm a firm believer there is common ground to be found among us. For example, although I am somewhat right-leaning I can totally relate with Bill Clinton right here:

 

[Viri]

Spoiler

 

[Attacker3]

Total Anarcho-Capitalist. If you need to support your ideas and plans with threat of force (the biggest threat of force being the government), it is not worth implementing. Everything that the government does can be done better by market (also known as you and I)

 

[KingVamp]

Everything that the government does can be done better by market (also known as you and I)

Just looking at our healthcare system compare to other countries, I'm going have to disagree.

 

[Attacker3]

Just looking at our healthcare system compare to other countries, I'm going have to disagree.

Your healthcare system is a weird and disgusting mix of socialist and corporatist parts. It's not even close to being a capitalistic system.

 

[KingVamp]

Your healthcare system is a weird and disgusting mix of socialist and corporatist parts. It's not even close to being a capitalistic system.

Healthcare aside, what place is your ideal capitalism?

 

[Xzi]

Your healthcare system is a weird and disgusting mix of socialist and corporatist parts. It's not even close to being a capitalistic system.

Our healthcare system is as capitalist as it gets. You pay an insurance provider too much money, then the hospital overcharges insurance for every little thing. The only time any of that cost is offset is with Medicare/Medicaid, but you have to have very specific circumstances to qualify, and even then you're probably going to end up footing much of the bill yourself.

Everything that the government does can be done better by market (also known as you and I)

If you removed the government at this point, corporations would take over their role in the US. Things would probably get more authoritarian, and quickly without that pesky constitution in the way.

 

[ChokingVictim87]

Pretty much this. I'm pretty much Hitler.

Same-although every political compass test I do says centre right....

 

[Attacker3]

Healthcare aside, what place is your ideal capitalism?

Laissez-Faire, something without market regulations. Did you know that the book of regulations in the USA is 170 thousand pages long? And they keep adding more and more every year. You can't keep that up!

 

[TotalInsanity4]

If you need to support your ideas and plans with threat of force (the biggest threat of force being the government), it is not worth implementing.

The cross-thread irony here is staggering

 

[Xzi]

Laissez-Faire, something without market regulations. Did you know that the book of regulations in the USA is 170 thousand pages long? And they keep adding more and more every year. You can't keep that up!

It is definitely too long and needs simplification, but more than that it's still too full of holes for megacorps to exploit. Even with all this regulation supposedly "hindering" them, many pay zero taxes year after year or even take corporate welfare from taxpayers. Corporations for the most part already have zero allegiance to the country they were founded in, zero regulation just means regressing all the way back to child labor.

 

[KingVamp]

Laissez-Faire, something without market regulations. Did you know that the book of regulations in the USA is 170 thousand pages long? And they keep adding more and more every year. You can't keep that up!

So no place that exist right now? If you had it your way, pollution would be even worse.

 

[Deleted User]

It is definitely too long and needs simplification, but more than that it's still too full of holes for megacorps to exploit. Even with all this regulation supposedly "hindering" them, many pay zero taxes year after year or even take corporate welfare from taxpayers. Corporations for the most part already have zero allegiance to the country they were founded in, zero regulation just means regressing all the way back to child labor.

And what do you think will happen if we cover up all of those holes?

All the businesses leave the country cause it's too expensive.

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe in a pure free market. There absolutely should be restrictions to make sure nobody gets killed at their day-job. But by the same token, over-regulating is just going to piss off the small businesses who want to offer better deals as the mega-corps bribe and payoff anyone who could prosecute them. Next thing you know you have Buy-N'-Large controlling the entire government.