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All that proves to me, is that we shouldn't be lax on security. That, and we shouldn't have such intimate life extending tech connected to the internet.

New technology is going to happen, so all we can do and hope for is ethical usage and design, and stronger security.

I'm obviously all for the betterment of human life in general, but the second someone advocates for a genetic alteration without the recipient's consent,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designer_baby
 
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That's a bit of a gray area morally, but I do believe that generally speaking it falls under "lack of consent" in regards to my statement, since the baby being designed has no say in a decision that quite literally will affect it its entire life
What if it were used as a sort of genetic vaccine? Removing traits such as a disposition to cancer, autism, physical deformities..
 

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What if it were used as a sort of genetic vaccine? Removing traits such as a disposition to cancer, autism, physical deformities..
Hence why I said it's a gray area. I have nothing against that, and in general I'm really excited about CRISPR and the benefits it stands to offer to humanity. If it were within my power, though, I'd refuse to even consider allowing genetic modification in utero in order to alter physical and personal traits of the child
 

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Not everyone takes vaccines. At least for now, you have a choice.
That's one thing people shouldn't have a choice on. People who physically can't have vaccines, for whatever reason, rely on herd immunity to stay healthy. The fewer people accept vaccinations, the more potential carriers there are for preventable diseases, which means a higher potential mortality rate for people with weakened immune systems
 

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Oh boy, these threads are always fun.

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According to https://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/political-spectrum-quiz.html, I'm pretty definitively a Libertarian, although if you had asked me 6 years ago I'd probably say Liberal/Progressive.

I guess I'm just one of those ex-liberals that has started feeling that the modern Liberal parties are starting to veer way too far left, and it certainly doesn't help that many media outlets are liberally biased. I feel as if we're reaching a point where people want progress for the sake of progress, rather than trying to consider whether it's actually necessary.

Of course, that's not the only thing that's made me move closer to the center/center-right/libertarian/wherever the fuck I am; the far-left seems very eager to call anyone a racist/sexist/xenophobe/homophobe/*phobe for having any opinion to the right of Socialism and total open borders. Hell, it's gotten to the point where I don't bother saying things in most forums because I know for a fact people will discard my opinion on the basis of my white skin, but then turn around and say it isn't racist because "you can't be racist against white people," as if that somehow makes any sense at all. Even the treatment of non-white conservatives or libertarians is pretty abhorrent, where if a black person or a hispanic person states an opinion that goes against the left-wing interpretation, they're called "Uncle Toms" or "Not real black people," again, as if that makes sense somehow.

Of course, I feel that a lot of this transformation is due to me growing up and having to make my own life, and needing to worry about myself first and foremost for the first time in my life. Add in that I dropped out of college after one semester, and you can see how I've started to drift away from the left and more towards libertarian/conservatism.

TL;DR: Economically conservative, socially libertarian (mostly). If the #WalkAway movement happened in 2016, I'd almost certainly have been a part of it.
 

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I don't agree with eugenics, but let's play with the idea for a second because you guys are getting pretty rude for an opinion that I don't think is all that offensive. Eugenics is basically controlling breeding and life of human beings for the purpose of improving humans with desirable traits.

If you take "human" out of that definition you have natural selection. Nature has been doing this since the dawn of life. Even more importantly it has been, and continues to do this to humans. Humans already have, and continue do this to other life. We breed animals and plants for the purpose of desired traits all the time. Without humans there would be no cows.

Another way to look at it, as we've made medical advances making life expectancy much longer for everyone across all sexes, races, conditions, there has been an increase in occurrences of cancer, genetic disorders, mental disorders, etc. So one could argue that increasing life expectancy and open breeding is harmful to the human race.
well sure yeah. Only the strongest survive. I know how evolution works. But this guy was mad that disabled people got to exist as if he was actually superior to them. Which in some cases, normal people are more capable and well, superior to disabled people. But this kid didn't like that they got to exist, thats the problem i had
 

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The mods here won't even allow me to allude to or hint at my position without loading my profile up with warnings or suspending me for a week again, so I really couldn't tell you.
Get over yourself.
You were warned for a racist remark back in 2010, and that warning expired. Then you were warned in 2016 for telling another user (contributor) to eat a dick out of the blue. That also expired.
So now you have one warning point at the moment, and I was the one giving it to you (and yeah, I probably gave you a 1 week suspension for it). Why? Because you posted neo-nazi stuff... and yes I deleted that comment as well.

You can hint at your position, hell you can even say it right out and we won't care. Everyone is right to have their opinion and beliefs!
 

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I don't agree with eugenics, but let's play with the idea for a second because you guys are getting pretty rude for an opinion that I don't think is all that offensive. Eugenics is basically controlling breeding and life of human beings for the purpose of improving humans with desirable traits.

If you take "human" out of that definition you have natural selection. Nature has been doing this since the dawn of life. Even more importantly it has been, and continues to do this to humans. Humans already have, and continue do this to other life. We breed animals and plants for the purpose of desired traits all the time. Without humans there would be no cows.

Another way to look at it, as we've made medical advances making life expectancy much longer for everyone across all sexes, races, conditions, there has been an increase in occurrences of cancer, genetic disorders, mental disorders, etc. So one could argue that increasing life expectancy and open breeding is harmful to the human race.
You get that, once we learned to walk upright, speak and said fuck you to our evolutionary flaws by using tools and medicine, we rose ourself above natural selection. What we do to other life matters little, as we haven't agreed to grant every organism human rights. Though when humans do to animals is horrible if you ask me.

As for cancer, yeah, that happens when you raise overall age. Longer life means more chances for rare diseases to develop. Seriously, one could argue that by eugenicist standards, youd be stupid enough to have it applied to you.


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Of course, that's not the only thing that's made me move closer to the center/center-right/libertarian/wherever the fuck I am; the far-left seems very eager to call anyone a racist/sexist/xenophobe/homophobe/*phobe for having any opinion to the right of Socialism and total open borders.
I know this doesn't work for every case, but generally speaking if someone calls you a [racist/sexist/xenophobe/homophobe/*phobe] it's generally because you're being [racist/sexist/xenophobic/homophobic/*phobic] and its making them uncomfortable. Under such situations, it's usually wiser to ask what it is you're doing that's upsetting them and if there's anything you can do to avoid such behavior next time, because that's just how basic human decency works.
(Now note, this does not necessarily MAKE you a [racist/sexist/xenophobe/homophobe/*phobe], you can act like something without consistently being something. The above still applies, arguably more so, in that situation, though, because if that's the case I'd want to learn what the offending behavior is and correct it)

You mention that your opinion is being disregarded solely because of the color of your skin, but fail to acknowledge that your skin color has put you in a position where you virtually never see the same kind of harassment or microaggressions as the people accusing you. Rather than getting hostile about it, maybe you should listen to their opinions on the matter to see if maybe there IS something you can alter for the benefit of both parties involved
 
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Get over yourself.
You were warned for a racist remark back in 2010, and that warning expired. Then you were warned in 2016 for telling another user (contributor) to eat a dick out of the blue. That also expired.
So now you have one warning point at the moment, and I was the one giving it to you (and yeah, I probably gave you a 1 week suspension for it). Why? Because you posted neo-nazi stuff... and yes I deleted that comment as well.

You can hint at your position, hell you can even say it right out and we won't care. Everyone is right to have their opinion and beliefs!
Hate to be that guy, but didn't you just contradict yourself? Just looking for clarity.

Like if my position was neo-nazism (it isn't) would it be deleted?
 

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I feel as if we're reaching a point where people want progress for the sake of progress, rather than trying to consider whether it's actually necessary.
You'd have to elaborate on this one. If the rest of the world progresses and the US stays stagnant, we fall as a nation. Nobody's gonna wait for us to catch up, we'd simply tumble further in the ranks of education, social equality, wage equality, renewable energy, healthcare costs, etc. The past is dead and gone, and the US can't retreat from the world stage back into regressive isolation just because a few neocons are having "economic anxiety." All we're doing with those types of policies is speeding ourselves toward the next crash regardless.
 
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Hate to be that guy, but didn't you just contradict yourself? Just looking for clarity.

Like if my position was neo-nazism (it isn't) would it be deleted?
Did I say anything contradicting? If so I apologize, but that isn't what I meant in that case.

If you say "I'm Neo-Nazi" there is nothing I can (or want to) do about it. You have the right to be that if you want.
If you say "kill all jews" I'd remove it and give you a warning. There's a clear difference.
 

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Did I say anything contradicting? If so I apologize, but that isn't what I meant in that case.

If you say "I'm Neo-Nazi" there is nothing I can (or want to) do about it. You have the right to be that if you want.
If you say "kill all jews" I'd remove it and give you a warning. There's a clear difference.
For what it's worth, thank you (and the entire site staff) for not giving the extremest beliefs a platform to spread
 

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You mention that your opinion is being disregarded solely because of the color of your skin, but fail to acknowledge that your skin color has put you in a position where you virtually never see the same kind of harassment or microaggressions as the people accusing you. Rather than getting hostile about it, maybe you should listen to their opinions on the matter to see if maybe there IS something you can alter for the benefit of both parties involved

Hard disagree here. This may have been true 60 years ago, but not in today's society. I can't expect anything to be given to me or taken from me based solely on my immutable characteristics (skin color, eye color, etc.), which is the way it should be.

Any privilege I have in life are due to my parents working as hard as they possibly could throughout their life in order to advance in their respective careers, and they didn't come from places of privilege either; my mother was raised by her grandparents in rural Louisiana when her mother left when she was 3 years old, and my father was raised in a low income part of Camden, NJ, and left home at 16 when his mother couldn't support him anymore. Of course, this isn't to say that nobody else has possibly had a harder life than they did, but I find it somewhat insulting to imply that any advantages I had in life are simply due to my skin color, and not because my parents worked their asses off so that they could give their future selves and their children a better life than they had growing up.

I feel like I worded my original post a little too harshly, although I suppose that's what happens when you stay up until the wee hours of the night. The interactions I mentioned in my initial post aren't the norm, but I'm finding them more and more commonplace in my social media feeds, along with places such as Reddit.

You'd have to elaborate on this one. If the rest of the world progresses and the US stays stagnant, we fall as a nation. Nobody's gonna wait for us to catch up, we'd simply tumble further in the ranks of education, social equality, wage equality, renewable energy, healthcare costs, etc. The past is dead and gone, and the US can't retreat from the world stage back into regressive isolation just because a few neocons are having "economic anxiety." All we're doing with those types of policies is speeding ourselves toward the next crash regardless.

The U.S. is still firmly in position as the largest world economic center, and I feel that this position is taken for granted very often, particularly by our friends in Europe. The primary reason that many European countries can have great social programs is because they don't need to spend nearly as much on defense or medical research, since the U.S. takes the brunt of that. If the U.S. were to switch to a full socialized/single-payer healthcare system, it would be absolutely disastrous for the average citizen, since healthcare is nearly 18% of the U.S.'s GDP (about $3.3 trillion, about $10,000 per person or $25,400 per household). This amount of spending is more than the entire GDP of every other country except for China, Japan, and Germany.

As for wage inequality, women make less than men on average. As in, if you take the average of every man's income and compare it to every woman's income, women make less than men. This is due to women tending to make different career choices than men, with the average male tending to gravitate towards STEM related fields and the average woman gravitating towards more arts-oriented fields. When you compare salaries in the same field, women make, for all intents and purposes, the same amount of money as a man in the same job, with slight deviations depending on individual situations.

Obviously, the U.S. isn't a perfect paradise. Particularly, our public education system is absolute dogshit thanks to No Child Left Behind and the advent of standardized multiple-choice tests being used as a gauge for school funding, and our dependence on coal and fossil fuels should be better, with coal needing to be replaced by nuclear energy and fossil fuels needing to be replaced (mostly) by electric vehicles, but many of these issues are incredibly complicated and are being vastly oversimplified.
 

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If the U.S. were to switch to a full socialized/single-payer healthcare system, it would be absolutely disastrous for the average citizen, since healthcare is nearly 18% of the U.S.'s GDP (about $3.3 trillion, about $10,000 per person or $25,400 per household). This amount of spending is more than the entire GDP of every other country except for China, Japan, and Germany.
According to a recent Koch brothers study intended to be against it, Medicare for all (single payer) would save us two trillion dollars over the next ten years. It's expensive, but it's two trillion less expensive than our current broken system which doesn't cover anywhere near 100% of citizens.

https://www.thenation.com/article/thanks-koch-brothers-proof-single-payer-saves-money/

As for wage inequality, women make less than men on average.
Sorry, I didn't mean gender wage inequality. I was referring to wage inequality/disparity in general, the refusal to pay average workers a living wage or even a wage that keeps up with inflation.

Obviously, the U.S. isn't a perfect paradise. Particularly, our public education system is absolute dogshit thanks to No Child Left Behind and the advent of standardized multiple-choice tests being used as a gauge for school funding, and our dependence on coal and fossil fuels should be better, with coal needing to be replaced by nuclear energy and fossil fuels needing to be replaced (mostly) by electric vehicles, but many of these issues are incredibly complicated and are being vastly oversimplified.
Of course these are complex issues, but that doesn't mean complacency will solve any of them. In cases like education we need an overhaul of the entire system essentially.
 

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