Valve potentially looking into getting Windows games to run on Linux
Source: GitHub
Source: GitHub
Better idea, hear me out, help improve WINE. There's no reason to reinvent the wheel when someone's already working on a wheel. They will both be helping the open source community and also looking good doing it.
Except that would require money Valve isn't willing to spend. Valve doesn't have the Linux philosophy in mind, it just wants to make more money. Why pay developers to get involved in a licensing cluster fuck, than develop your own proprietary solution that can be marketed at AAA developers that wouldn't require following the GPL?
Yeah, I know my suggest isn't realistic, but still a better idea than starting from nothing. At least starting with helping WINE would save a fuck ton of time, but you are right that they aren't going to see it that way. They want money and trying to work with WINE wouldn't make them the money they can get through their own proprietary crap.
I really hope they can pull this off. I’d love to ditch windows 10 ASAP. Tired of automatic driver updates somehow reenabling themselves every few months despite disabling them through regedits. Always installs the wrong sound drivers on my pc and the latest gpu drivers on my daughter’s PC that aren’t compatible with her old hardware.
Unlike proprietary licenses? Lol. Open source licenses are much easier to understand, they've been analyzed to death in case you need help with it, and no one cares to sue you to bankruptcy if you amend your behavior and comply. Try that with Microsoft.
There's also no way in hell Valve is going to pay the many, many thousands of man-hours of work from very specialized engineers (read: very expensive) for something it can use for free.
I don't care about Linux, but I wonder is why almost no games are made using the Vulkan API which would help a lot to make it Linux compatible with high performance in first place... Never had much luck with DX12 on my PC
Except WINE can't be packaged and sold commercially. That's kind of what I'm getting at. Unless this came pre-installed with Steam (which I doubt will happen since games will require their own specific libraries and configurations), they wouldn't be able to use WINE.
Life is too short. I don't know if running Linux on the desktop is less of a car crash than it was 20 years ago, but I've not seen anything that makes me want to be other than a brief visitor.
Ubuntu on Windows and msys are as close as I would want to go.
I don't think you get sarcasm. His post mirrored an earlier one asking the same question, but the other way round. That post didn't get your outburst, maybe you missed it?
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Good luck with that... They may like Linux, but they are not stupid, it would be a extremly huge task and it wouldn't bring back a lot of profit back.
Linux is great, it's free and open source. You can build your own OS, use it for servers, for ATM machines, and the list goes on. But let's face it gaming is not the strong point of linux, issues with propertary drivers, poor performance.. even on native port.
Wine is great for using most of windows software, but when it comes to gaming there is a significant performance loss....
Down the road when it comes to general purpose and some specific use Linux OS can be much better than any version of Windows, but for Gaming windows will be king for a long long time.
Windows is more streamlined for gaming, that's why developers don't even bother releaseing ports for Linux OS, because they know it will be a nightmare to support all the different OS and drivers out there.
One example, you can build Unreal Engine 4 for Linux, yet how many games that are released for Windows using UE4 are released for Linux?
Linux is great, it's free and open source. You can build your own OS, use it for servers, for ATM machines, and the list goes on. But let's face it gaming is not the strong point of linux, issues with propertary drivers, poor performance.. even on native port.
Wine is great for using most of windows software, but when it comes to gaming there is a significant performance loss....
Down the road when it comes to general purpose and some specific use Linux OS can be much better than any version of Windows, but for Gaming windows will be king for a long long time.
Yes and what distro should they use? what drivers?
Windows is more streamlined for gaming, that's why developers don't even bother releaseing ports for Linux OS, because they know it will be a nightmare to support all the different OS and drivers out there.
One example, you can build Unreal Engine 4 for Linux, yet how many games that are released for Windows using UE4 are released for Linux?
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It's adding Wine with default configurations, it's not a big deal, just more of what they already do. It's not trying to replace Windows, at least not anytime soon.
I'm not going to disagree that gaming is not optimal with or without Wine (works pretty well for me, though), but performance is not really one of the issues.
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No, they can't, that literally makes no sense, and it's far from enough.
For your first statement quoted here: Someone must start somewhere, if nobody starts doing anything to improve the current situation, then Windows will keep being king for a long long time, but if someone starts now and gets momentum going, it will work out by itself. It is a long term investment and a safety net for them.
For your second statement: There are many solutions for streamlining Linux. As much as I hate them for being Windows-like, there's Flatpak, Snap, AppImage, Steam's own runtime (although this one sucks due to lack of updated libs). GOG does it with a simple script, you don't even need an over-engineered solution.
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I really hope they manage to make it work because i recently switched to Win10 for gaming (Oculus is about do drop support for 7 and some games need the latest DX . . .) from Win7 and i have started experiencing BSOD once in a while while my system was rock solid on 7 for years . . . go figure lol
Now if i can avoid Win 10 and still get every game to work that would be great!
Devs should abandon DX anyways
Now if i can avoid Win 10 and still get every game to work that would be great!
Devs should abandon DX anyways
Cool idea but won't work nearly as good enough as you think it will.
Why? Denuvo and other obfuscation techniques. They'll detect it's a VM in no time and there's very little you can do about it unless Valve is willing to go to the same lengths as the people that cracked them.
But I guess it'll still work for most non-AAA games.
Why? Denuvo and other obfuscation techniques. They'll detect it's a VM in no time and there's very little you can do about it unless Valve is willing to go to the same lengths as the people that cracked them.
But I guess it'll still work for most non-AAA games.
I fail to see what's the issue with Windows being the King of the OS when to comes to gaming and office solutions, for the rest you can use whatever you want from a very obscure CLI only linux distro to MacOS.
About GoG script it is a hit or a miss, depending on the distro.
Windows 10 is way more stable than 7, hell so far it's been the most stable Windows OS i ever used.... Most of those bsod are thanks to crappy drivers, one example AMD latest drivers was causing BSOD and they had to fix it asap....I really hope they manage to make it work because i recently switched to Win10 for gaming (Oculus is about do drop support for 7 and some games need the latest DX . . .) from Win7 and i have started experiencing BSOD once in a while while my system was rock solid on 7 for years . . . go figure lol
Now if i can avoid Win 10 and still get every game to work that would be great!
Devs should abandon DX anyways
They could drop DX support and only use Vulkan api, it doesn't mean the game will get a Linux release. There are a lot of windows exclusive software that doesn't use DX and instead use OpenGL or Vulkan, yet it lacks a linux release.
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If there's an issue with a specific feature on an operating system, shouldn't it be up to the developers to fix/mitigate said issue instead of leaving it in the dumpster fire? Abandoning the entire notion of gaming on Linux would be rather complacent of them.
Besides, many people don't like Windows for various reasons, be it telemetry concerns, forced updates, OS design, or stability issues, and want a viable alternative.
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