Children being sexually abused, given psychotropic drugs in ICE detention centers

[invaderyoyo]

Do you consider moral attempting to cross the border with your kids knowing well what will happen if you do?

It would be immoral NOT to do it for a lot of these people who know what will happen if they don't. Seriously, what do you think these people have to go through to decide that completely uprooting themselves and crossing a desert for the chance to get to a country where they have no legal status is their only option knowing they might get caught and thrown back out?

Do you think they made that decision lightly? Give me a break.

 

[Song of storms]

It would be immoral NOT to do it for a lot of these people who know what will happen if they don't. Seriously, what do you think these people have to go through to decide that completely uprooting themselves and crossing a desert for the chance to get to a country where they have no legal status is their only option knowing they might get caught and thrown back out?

Do you think they made that decision lightly? Give me a break.

"The only option"? What about all the immigrants who came in the US legally? Are they morons for wanting to follow the rules and not cause any trouble? Is that it?

 

[TotalInsanity4]

"The only option"? What about all the immigrants who came in the US legally? Are they morons for wanting to follow the rules and not cause any trouble? Is that it?

You're ignoring just how long it takes to just get the paperwork in the first place, as well as the fact that crossing the border and pleading asylum IS a valid legal method of entry, especially if one is fleeing immediate danger

 

[Song of storms]

You're ignoring just how long it takes to just get the paperwork in the first place, as well as the fact that crossing the border and pleading asylum IS a valid legal method of entry, especially if one is fleeing immediate danger

You're ignoring how the system has allowed a lot of criminals to enter the country and smuggle drugs and weapons in.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

You're ignoring how the system has allowed a lot of criminals to enter the country and smuggle drugs and weapons in.

Numbers? Especially since you like asking for them?

 

[SG854]

Not even rich people, I'd argue if a poverty district is anywhere near even a lower-middle class district there will be people desperate enough to try to steal things they consider necessary to survive

You're also, I think, ignoring gang activity that thrive by offering "protection" to susceptible youth, although one could argue that the police/other gangs are the higher class

Only for Blacks

Breaking down Property Crime and Poverty Rates by Race and City, for Whites it doesn't go up. It's a -0.03 Correlation. For Hispanics it's -0.19, which means the more Hispanics in a City the less crime there is, crime from Hispanics is caused by other reasons other then Poverty. For Blacks its 0.38 so there is some correlation only for Blacks. Poverty doesn't raise crime for everyone else except for Blacks.

1969-2008, Poverty goes down (Due to New Welfare Programs in the 1960's) but Property Crime goes up. It has a negative -0.59 correlation. Which means the reverse is happening for this time period. Crime was lower until the welfare state came in. Pouring more money into the system didn't seem to lower Crime but Raise it. Whether or Not Correlation equals causation, pouring more money seems to do little to lower crime.

Just Wealth Distribution alone might not be the answer to solve crime. Many poor people win the lottery but end up loosing it all. Poor people are probably poor because they manage their lives horribly. So giving them more money won't fix things if they can't manage it responsibly, are on the lower end of the IQ distribution, and if they lack the Intelligence for foresight and waste it on Drugs, Alcohol, Bars, Strip Clubs, and other unnecessary things.

Crime in Poorer Areas seems to be more of a Morality Issue not a Survival One.
Especially in America where the Poor are richer then people living in Countries with absolute poverty.
https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/morality-prevents-crime
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...factor-claims-Cambridge-University-study.html

 

[invaderyoyo]

"The only option"? What about all the immigrants who came in the US legally? Are they morons for wanting to follow the rules and not cause any trouble? Is that it?

It's practically impossible for poor people without relatives in the US. The people doing this are poor. They basically have no other avenue. This picture sums it up nicely.

Spoiler

 

[JellyPerson]

Okay okay okay, where's the psychotropic drugs and why isn't anyone talking about those? Drugs can kill, but sex abuse only scars.

 

[Subtle Demise]

And no, I'd never nominate anyone for the guillotine in this day and age

But why not? If anything that would be far too generous. Imagine being a 6 year old little girl, all you want is to see your mommy and daddy again, watch your favorite TV show or movie, play with your toys, at the very least cuddle your favorite stuffed animal for what little comfort it can give you. Instead you are treated to physical and mental abuse, watching kids getting murdered, teens giving birth to stillborn babies, molestation and other horrors. If reading these stories makes you feel anything than seething rage and empathy for the children and teens who did nothing wrong besides being born into the wrong family. Anyone who lives near these places with any sense of justice would take them over by force with a small army and reunite the kids with their families. The parties guilty of such atrocities that are taken alive should be subject to things that only the most depraved of minds would do to a human being. Things that would get me banned for describing here.

But hey, maybe that's just me imagining my own 6 year old daughter put into this situation. The fact that this happened under the watchful eye of both democrats and republicans is proof that the two party system needs to die a quick but painful death. All those people who always cry, "please think of the children!" Well, now's the time to do something about it.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

But why not? If anything that would be far too generous. Imagine being a 6 year old little girl, all you want is to see your mommy and daddy again, watch your favorite TV show or movie, play with your toys, at the very least cuddle your favorite stuffed animal for what little comfort it can give you. Instead you are treated to physical and mental abuse, watching kids getting murdered, teens giving birth to stillborn babies, molestation and other horrors. If reading these stories makes you feel anything than seething rage and empathy for the children and teens who did nothing wrong besides being born into the wrong family. Anyone who lives near these places with any sense of justice would take them over by force with a small army and reunite the kids with their families. The parties guilty of such atrocities that are taken alive should be subject to things that only the most depraved of minds would do to a human being. Things that would get me banned for describing here.

But hey, maybe that's just me imagining my own 6 year old daughter put into this situation. The fact that this happened under the watchful eye of both democrats and republicans is proof that the two party system needs to die a quick but painful death. All those people who always cry, "please think of the children!" Well, now's the time to do something about it.

I guess I should clarify: I wouldn't nominate someone solely on indirect involvement. If, however, someone were to explicitly give the order for something like this then yeah, the death penalty is too good even for them

 

[Subtle Demise]

I guess I should clarify: I wouldn't nominate someone solely on indirect involvement. If, however, someone were to explicitly give the order for something like this then yeah, the death penalty is too good even for them

Another thing I don't understand is who the hell thought it would be good to separate families? And detaining children, not just teens and pre-teens, but fucking six year olds? The obvious solution is the release of anyone under 18 to a responsible adult.

 

[Xzi]

Okay okay okay, where's the psychotropic drugs and why isn't anyone talking about those? Drugs can kill, but sex abuse only scars.

Yeah that hasn't gotten much discussion yet. A lot of the drugs were heavy anti-psychotics that could indeed damage a child's brain permanently. I don't think any of the kids were actually prescribed the drugs they were being given, either.

EDIT: Things are getting worse as the days pass and more information trickles in. A detention center worker has been charged with sexually molesting eight children, with all of the incidents falling between August 2016 and July 2017. OP has been updated with the link as well.

https://www.propublica.org/article/...molesting-eight-children-at-immigrant-shelter