I'm not saying HIV is a scam.... but...

[alexg1989]

Unbelievable... I don't know whether to believe this. It's not entirely farfetched though. I would not at all put it behind some of the rats in the medical industry to do soemthing like thsi.

tl:dr

>Dr Wilner, who was an accomplished doctor for many years, and treated many aids patients, holds conference where he lays out the evidence for why he believes HIV is a money making scam perpetrated by Robert C Ballo and friends.

>He explains how the HIV test does not test for HIV but for immunity to HIV, and how it has a 99% chance of being incorrect.

> He explains how the CDC allowed many African American syphilis patients to go untreated to see how the disease would fair, despite the fact that they had treatments for it.

> HIV is a retrovirus and is harmless.

> The drug AZT which was used to treat cancer was discontinued as a cancer treatment because it was more harmful than cancer, but is now used to treat HIV patients, and is what causes AIDS.

>There is no scientific paper that actually proves a link between HIV and AIDS.

>AIDS has many causes; malnutrition, drug usage - medical and other etc. It's the shutting down of the immune system.

> It is virtually impossible to transmit HIV through sex and even blood. It's possible to get AIDS through sex if you indulge in very disgusting sexual activities whereby you transmit STD after STD and are then constantly taking anti-biotic drugs that mess with your immune system.

> A little over 40 minutes into the conference, a patient with HIV has his blood drawn by Wilner, and said blood is then stuck into Wilner by Wilner himself.

> After this, Wilner takes many questions from reporters. He seemed completely at ease and a while into the questioning phase, I had actually completely forgotten that he had stuck himself with the blood of an HIV patient just less than half hour prior. He definitely seemed like he 100% believed what he was saying.

> Dr. Wilner died 6 months after this conference, and the cause of death was heart attack. It's believed by many that he was killed with the CIA's heart attack gun, which is in fact a real thing. http://www.military.com/video/guns/pistols/cias-secret-heart-attack-gun/2555371072001

Anyway, Dr. Wilner explains it all better than I ever could. I left a lot out so watch the video. It's an hour and 13 mins, but it's worth the watch.

 

[comput3rus3r]

Any industry that makes billions and billions of dollars and yet can produce no cure, is a scam. cough cancer cough.

 

[EddieEddie90]

Whoah, I need a minute to process all of this. A gun that can cause a heart attack? oh god

 

[Raverrevolution]

So THIS must be why Magic Johnson must still be alive!! That or he's holding on to the cure all along.

 

[mezz0]

Everybody knows the cure to aids is lots and lots of money (Southpark se12e01).
(no disrespect intended)

 

[Clydefrosch]

ok, are we arguing that the treatment industry overall is very lucrative and there's some level of incentive to treat instead of cure a disease?

or are we actually, literally arguing that HIV doesn't exist?

because I'm certainly not wasting my time on a random clip of some guy saying some thing (you can find a renowned doctor willing to say something isn't real or something is real for everything). and the later is literally insane to believe. just ask people with hiv.

 

[Deleted User]

YO, I JUST WATCHED THIS VIDEO! DOES GBATEMP READ MY MIND?

 

[alexg1989]

@Clydefrosch Read or watch before you comment. Your question was already answered in the tl"dr

 

[Viri]

I'm still not going to fuck anyone with aids or hiv

 

[alexg1989]

YO, I JUST WATCHED THIS VIDEO! DOES GBATEMP READ MY MIND?

Somebody explain the difference between HIV and AIDS like i'm 5, thanks

HIV is the virus that causes aids, according to conventional wisdom. Aids is the complete rape of one's immune system. The immune system is what fights off sicknesses. If your immune system is dead, you can die from a paper cut.

 

[catlover007]

I know that I'm going to regret posting in such a thread, but I found the wikipedia article of this "doctor" quite interesting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Willner

 

[DeadlyFoez]

I'm still not going to fuck anyone with aids or hiv

I don't think you need to worry because nobody will fuck you anyways.

lol. J/k. I just had to say that. You left yourself open.

But we all know that if you get HIV, just give it to 3 other people and you will no longer have it. Duhhh

 

[JoeyMacCheese]

ok, are we arguing that the treatment industry overall is very lucrative and there's some level of incentive to treat instead of cure a disease?

or are we actually, literally arguing that HIV doesn't exist?

because I'm certainly not wasting my time on a random clip of some guy saying some thing (you can find a renowned doctor willing to say something isn't real or something is real for everything). and the later is literally insane to believe. just ask people with hiv.

The arguement the guy is making is that HIV exists but it has no link to causing AIDS

 

[The Catboy]

So I have one serious issue with Dr Robert Willner's claim that he injected himself with HIV injected blood, which is that it was only a claim. He didn't present proof, he simply made the claim that was from an HIV patient. There's also no futher evidence of any follow up tests or really anything beyond claims that he made.
Your entire post is pure garbage without any actual scientific backing. You are taking the word of one guy who also didn't backup his claims with any actual peer reviewed papers nor present any actual facts.

 

[JoeyMacCheese]

So I have one serious issue with Dr Robert Willner's claim that he injected himself with HIV injected blood, which is that it was only a claim. He didn't present proof, he simply made the claim that was from an HIV patient. There's also no future evidence of any follow up tests or really anything beyond claims that he made.
Your entire post is pure garbage without any actual science. You are taking the word of one guy who also didn't back up his claims with any actual peer reviewed papers nor present any actual facts.

He had 3 separate autopsies which confirmed he was HIV neg, and also published a book on the matter. Not saying I agree with him but it's all a little suspicious and I wouldn't be surprised if it all turned out to be true

 

[smileyhead]

cough cancer cough.

*grabs popcorn*

 

[BORTZ]

He had 3 separate autopsies which confirmed he was HIV neg, and also published a book on the matter. Not saying I agree with him but it's all a little suspicious and I wouldn't be surprised if it all turned out to be true

I thought that HIV/AIDS took years to manifest itself in the body. Up to 10 years before finally rearing its head.

 

[The Catboy]

He had 3 separate autopsies which confirmed he was HIV neg, and also published a book on the matter. Not saying I agree with him but it's all a little suspicious and I wouldn't be surprised if it all turned out to be true

I can't seem to find anything about his autopsies. Though if that is the case, then it disproves the statement that it can't be transmitted by sex or blood.
Regardless nothing in the OP's post is backed up by any scientists nor any doctors from anywhere in the world. It's complete conspiracy garbage that could actually cause people to die if they believe it

 

[alexg1989]

I can't seem to find anything about his autopsies. Though if that is the case, then it disproves the statement that it can't be transmitted by sex or blood.
Regardless nothing in the OP's post is backed up by any scientists nor any doctors from anywhere in the world. It's complete conspiracy garbage that could actually cause people to die if they believe it

Several scientists backed it, even nobel prize recipients back then at around that time. you'd have to be crazy to think anyone nowadays would back it. Such a thing would completely destroy the public's trust in the medical industry, and there is too much money to be lost if this were to go public.

Here's another interesting video: Here is Dr. Robert Ballo being questioned on whether he may have had any involvement indirectly with the creation of aids.

 

[JoeyMacCheese]

I thought that HIV/AIDS took years to manifest itself in the body. Up to 10 years before finally rearing its head.

It's takes 4 weeks to be able to test HIV with a 95% success rate