Hacking Question Is Dumping and Updating your own games safe?

[EpicLPer]

Quick question just to be sure. Since it's my own certificate and not some random one from the internet it should theoretically be safe, right?

 

[Kubas_inko]

might be. we don't know.

 

[SwitchGuy]

Holy crap. No one knows. You might be banned just for using custom firmware. If they can see anything, they will ban you. They haven't started yet, so we don't know what they know. Just expect to be banned if you go online...

 

[Kubas_inko]

Holy crap. No one knows. You might be banned just for using custom firmware. If they can see anything, they will ban you. They haven't started yet, so we don't know what they know. Just expect to be banned if you go online...

They can't see homebrew

 

[NightStorm1000]

I think i can say that updating any Backup is safe. Have updated all my Backups on Monday and played mario Kart online 5 Minutes ago

 

[EpicLPer]

They can't see homebrew

But they could check for files on the SD Card if you have those files on there, who knows.

 

[Draxzelex]

I think i can say that updating any Backup is safe. Have updated all my Backups on Monday and played mario Kart online 5 Minutes ago

You cannot say for certain it is safe because bans can happen at any time and do not have to be instantaneous. Worst-case scenario is a massive ban-wave that hits everyone thinking it was safe weeks or maybe months from now. Keep in mind we still don't know the cause of the 3DS ban-waves so please do not say anything hacking related is safe.

 

[Kubas_inko]

But they could check for files on the SD Card if you have those files on there, who knows.

violation of civil liberties (idk)
Or private stuff or idk how you call it in english...

 

[Deleted member 129634]

They can't see homebrew

how could you know that? you have access to horizon source code? there's no way to be 100% sure to know what Nintendo can detect or not.

 

[Kubas_inko]

how could you know that? you have access to horizon source code? there's no way to be 100% sure to know what Nintendo can detect or not.

Because HBL is injected into the album so is any app that runs from it.
(they might be able to read that you modified your FW, but they can't see that you are running HBL instead of album)

 

[Deleted member 129634]

Because HBL is injected into the album so is any app that runs from it.

Still not enough to confirm your claim, you have no idea what nintendo logs during software execution, the assets and stuff loaded into memory are completely different when launching homebrew instead of the album app, we have no idea if nintendo logs this kind of stuff.

 

[EpicLPer]

Because HBL is injected into the album so is any app that runs from it.
(they might be able to read that you modified your FW, but they can't see that you are running HBL instead of album)

Well if Nintendo is logging how long you're using some apps and sees that you were in Album for 8 hours straight and have some suspicious files on your SD Card... Eh...

 

[Kubas_inko]

Still not enough to confirm your claim, you have no idea what nintendo logs during software execution, the assets and stuff loaded into memory are completely different when launching homebrew instead of the album app, we have no idea if nintendo logs this kind of stuff.

Stary said it. But well, he said "think" so yea. But if it is like on 3DS (don't forget it is just glorified 3DS FW), they can't/won't read integrity of runned app.

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Well if Nintendo is logging how long you're using some apps and sees that you were in Album for 8 hours straight and have some suspicious files on your SD Card... Eh...

Isn't reading your personal files against some private stuff? Which would mean, that they need to create new ToS.

 

[Draxzelex]

To be fair, if Nintendo is going to start banning users because of how long they are in the Album, we can simply redirect the homebrew launcher to other icons which we've already done so far so I doubt people should worry about that

 

[Deleted member 129634]

Stary said it. But well, he said "think" so yea. But if it is like on 3DS (don't forget it is just glorified 3DS FW), they can't/won't read integrity of runned app.

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well, no need for further arguments then, no confirmation there too, we can't just assume things from closed source software.

 

[Kriss_Hietala]

No it isn't. Nintendo detects whether you're playing xci backup and when cartridge. It doesn't matter if that backup is your own unique cert which you haven't shared with anyone.

 

[jaysea]

No it isn't. Nintendo detects whether you're playing xci backup and when cartridge. It doesn't matter if that backup is your own unique cert which you haven't shared with anyone.

Actualy SX is to blame here since the cert wasn't spoofed correctly. They say to have fixed that in 1.1.

 

[Jungle_Jon]

But they could check for files on the SD Card if you have those files on there, who knows.

The idea of getting banned (whilst possible) for having homebrew.jpeg make me laugh.

The way to really know would be to completely RE Horizon and document every function it has .

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Well if Nintendo is logging how long you're using some apps and sees that you were in Album for 8 hours straight and have some suspicious files on your SD Card... Eh...

How many false bans would be causee be that situation.
opening and app and leaving it open and having non Nintendo files on a standard non encrypted SD

 

[Thatcher]

I was going to suggest we have a sticky telling people "We don't know every scenario in which Nintendo ban" and then I thought...no one will even read it!

 

[deinonychus71]

violation of civil liberties (idk)
Or private stuff or idk how you call it in english...

That reminds me of this stupid drama there was on a certain MMO recently because they dared checking your running processes to detect cheaters.
Of course that was BS from lame cheaters and friends who tried every loophole possible to blame a company rather than their own behavior.

If you play against the rules, don't blame the company over violation of private information. There's a ToS everyone is supposed to read before they access their services.

Let's have a look here:
https://www.nintendo.com/privacy-policy

Specifically:
Information we collect when you use our services
We also collect and process information about your use of our services. This can include information about your device, your location, your interaction with our services and other Nintendo users, your content and your purchases.
Your content
Our services may allow you to create, upload or share content such as text, images, audio, video, or other content that you create or is licensed to you. When you use any of our services that include these or other similar capabilities we may collect your content in accordance with our user agreements or terms of use and this policy.

They're well within their right to check the content on your microsd while you're using it on your switch.