Hacking Atmosphere-NX - Custom Firmware in development by SciresM

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Given the bootrom was dumped there's quite a few people who know about the methods now. Or are investigating them at the very least

That’s why I’m keeping my eyes out for any new methods. I don’t have any current plans for my Switch that requires internet so I’m good until the summer.
 

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That’s why I’m keeping my eyes out for any new methods. I don’t have any current plans for my Switch that requires internet so I’m good until the summer.
Sounds like me. I only own 2 games with Online capability: Splatoon 2 and Mario Odyssey. I can live without Splatoon 2, I'd rather play Smash when it comes out.
 
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But Atmosphere isnt made yet. What are you even trying to load with this software solution you want her to reveal?
Maybe I'm not trying to load something but someone else with a 3.0 console and is a developer yet is not 100% comfortable touching 2 pins (maybe not totally realistic but still possible) would want to test their payload. I also realize this circles back to the whole put forth something if you want to be a part of the development scene mantra, but given that so many things have been made public now, something like this is miniscule compared to that hence my curiosity (and not me trying to rush her to release said software exploit as people are misintepreting...)
 

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Maybe I'm not trying to load something but someone else with a 3.0 console and is a developer yet is not 100% comfortable touching 2 pins (maybe not totally realistic but still possible) would want to test their payload. I also realize this circles back to the whole put forth something if you want to be a part of the development scene mantra, but given that so many things have been made public now, something like this is miniscule compared to that hence my curiosity (and not me trying to rush her to release said software exploit as people are misintepreting...)
If you're a dev on 3.0 and afraid to use the hardmod, you have Pegaswitch. You don't need Kate to unveil some other software exploit that people are asking about.
Besides like I said, this "secret software solution" is probably Pegaswitch itself. Which is why she hasnt revealed anything since there wouldn't be anything to reveal in the first place.

The end goal of all the various exploits and entry points is to get CFW running. As of right now there is no CFW made. So anyone asking any other dev for more info is just wasting the dev's time and their own time. Team Xecuter could release their "mod chip" to the masses right now and we won't be able to do anything with it.

People just need to chill out at this stage and just wait for Atmostphere to reach a usable Beta stage.
 
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If you're a dev on 3.0 and afraid to use the hardmod, you have Pegaswitch. You don't need Kate to unveil some other software exploit that people are asking about.
Besides like I said, this "secret software solution" is probably Pegaswitch itself. Which is why she hasnt revealed anything since there wouldn't be anything to reveal in the first place.

The end goal of all the various exploits and entry points is to get CFW running. As of right now there is no CFW made. So anyone asking any other dev for more info is just wasting the dev's time and their own time. Team Xecuter could release their "mod chip" to the masses right now and we won't be able to do anything with it.

People just need to chill out at this stage and just wait for Atmostphere to reach a usable Beta stage.
You're assuming TXs mod chip will need atmosphere....
 
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You're assuming TXs mod chip will need atmosphere....
How else is it going to work? TX themselves have said their modchip is designed to "provide a persistent, stable and fast method of running your own code and custom firmware patches on Nintendo's latest flagship product."
They ain't providing you with a CFW or Atmosphere or whatever. They're simply going to give you an entry point.

What use is an entry point to the average user that has nothing to run with it?
 

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Will we be able to do this on a windows machine at launch? I don't feel like dual booting Linux/Mac or using a VM.
 

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Will we be able to do this on a windows machine at launch? I don't feel like dual booting Linux/Mac or using a VM.
based on the documentation yes. they said the windows implementation would be to tricky for the POC so its note made yet.
 

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If you're a dev on 3.0 and afraid to use the hardmod, you have Pegaswitch. You don't need Kate to unveil some other software exploit that people are asking about.
Besides like I said, this "secret software solution" is probably Pegaswitch itself. Which is why she hasnt revealed anything since there wouldn't be anything to reveal in the first place.

The end goal of all the various exploits and entry points is to get CFW running. As of right now there is no CFW made. So anyone asking any other dev for more info is just wasting the dev's time and their own time. Team Xecuter could release their "mod chip" to the masses right now and we won't be able to do anything with it.

People just need to chill out at this stage and just wait for Atmostphere to reach a usable Beta stage.
Back when the only publicly available firmware for hacking was 3.0, it made sense to develop using Pegaswitch. But now its possible to develop homebrew on firmwares above 3.0 so Pegaswitch will soon become obsolete as people develop for the latest thing, whatever that may be. In this case it would be the latest firmware since this exploit is open to all Switch users. The only way Pegaswitch would remain useful is we assume your correct that Pegaswitch is needed to load said secret software solution. But that won't give developers enough reason to start developing using Pegaswitch as their base.
 

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The only way Pegaswitch would remain useful is we assume your correct that Pegaswitch is needed to load said secret software solution.

It will probably need to be Pegaswitch plus a trustzone exploit. Although from what SciresM has been saying, I'm thinking he had an untethered coldboot soft mod that works up to 4.1.0, which doesn't use Pegaswitch.

But that won't give developers enough reason to start developing using Pegaswitch as their base.

Right. It's likely that developers will mostly target CFW when it comes out.
 
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It will probably need to be Pegaswitch plus a trustzone exploit. Although from what SciresM has been saying, I'm thinking he had an untethered coldboot soft mod that works up to 4.1.0, which doesn't use Pegaswitch.
Maybe that's the eventual softmod we'll see for firmwares 3.01-4.1? Anything above 3.0 cannot use Pegaswitch. He also released the IDC File for 5.0 so he's probably already looking at how to gain entryway into 5.x
 

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Back when the only publicly available firmware for hacking was 3.0, it made sense to develop using Pegaswitch. But now its possible to develop homebrew on firmwares above 3.0 so Pegaswitch will soon become obsolete as people develop for the latest thing, whatever that may be. In this case it would be the latest firmware since this exploit is open to all Switch users. The only way Pegaswitch would remain useful is we assume your correct that Pegaswitch is needed to load said secret software solution. But that won't give developers enough reason to start developing using Pegaswitch as their base.
Which is why I said its for people on 3.0 and dont want to hard mod. I'm not saying its the best or definitive method for homebrew.

And I'm just saying that those who're accusing Kate of hiding a secret software solution, maybe there isnt a secret solution. Maybe its just Pegaswitch.
 
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This makes me very glad I got into iOS development. Gives me an excuse to have a Mac

Me too man. Well I was a Mac user anyway (got fed up with Windows) but I like being a Dev. It’s a good pastime and it keeps the brain ticking over :D

Really looking forward to the release of a Switch custom firmware. It’s going to be an awesome emulation device..... Eventually.
 

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Which is why I said its for people on 3.0 and dont want to hard mod. I'm not saying its the best or definitive method for homebrew.

And I'm just saying that those who're accusing Kate of hiding a secret software solution, maybe there isnt a secret solution. Maybe its just Pegaswitch.
No I understand what you're saying. I'm just expressing pity for my theoretical developer whose afraid to physically tinker with his/her Switch. Hopefully, they don't have to wait that long though before a softmod becomes available.

And I wouldn't accuse Kate of hiding anything either. I'm confident she has her reasons. For example, I was a little confused as to why she said the exploit would be released sometime in summer 2018 when she set up a disclosure notice with Nvidia to fix the problem. A company would never agree to a window, they would only agree to a date. Now I may have misunderstood the definition of disclosure window, but there was indeed a date she set up with Nvidia which was June 15th WHICH she didn't tell us initially. However, she had a reason for it. She did not want to build up hype regarding a specific date so she purposely withheld the date from the scene but still gave us an idea of what the date was. Do I agree with her reasoning? Heck no. But its better than leaving it to speculation as to why she withheld that type of information in the first place.

On a side note, she let it slip that the release date was near E3 because someone stated that E3 always takes place in summer and she was caught off-guard by that with regards to choosing her release date, retrospectively implying her release date was around the time of E3, which it was.
 
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And I wouldn't accuse Kate of hiding anything either. I'm confident she has her reasons. For example, I was a little confused as to why she said the exploit would be released sometime in summer 2018 when she set up a disclosure notice with Nvidia to fix the problem. A company would never agree to a window, they would only agree to a date. Now I may have misunderstood the definition of disclosure window, but there was indeed a date she set up with Nvidia which was June 15th WHICH she didn't tell us initially. However, she had a reason for it. She did not want to build up hype regarding a specific date so she purposely withheld the date from the scene but still gave us an idea of what the date was. Do I agree with her reasoning? Heck no. But its better than leaving it to speculation as to why she withheld that type of information in the first place.

On a side note, she let it slip that the release date was near E3 because someone stated that E3 always takes place in summer and she was caught off-guard by that with regards to choosing her release date, retrospectively implying her release date was around the time of E3, which it was.
Did she actually say that the date was agreed with Nvidia? Because a 90 day disclosure windows is basically the standard among hacking groups. It seems to have even been embraced by manufacturers themselves - Apple have a 90 day window when submitting exploits to them in their bug bounty program, for example. I assumed that Kate was simply adhering to the industry and scene 'standard' of 90 days which would end on June 15th.
 

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Did she actually say that the date was agreed with Nvidia? Because a 90 day disclosure windows is basically the standard among hacking groups. It seems to have even been embraced by manufacturers themselves - Apple have a 90 day window when submitting exploits to them in their bug bounty program, for example. I assumed that Kate was simply adhering to the industry and scene 'standard' of 90 days which would end on June 15th.
Lemme dig up the quote I was referring to.
Oh. I didn't even think about the fact that promising a summer release date could kind-of-align things with E3. =\

That's a bit embarrasing. I'm really not all that into playing games myself, and so I didn't actually think about when events like E3 occur: I just picked an imprecise description of around when the disclosure window ends, with the goal being not to tie things to any specific day. I'd prefer to avoid things interacting with the E3 hype; but I think that with this it probably makes sense not to artifcially delay anything and just to release as soon as we can, even if E3's a thing.
However, upon further research, she mentioned she picked a disclosure window that was actually less than 90 days.
The hard part is deciding what that disclosure deadline should _be_. I chose a time I thought was not unreasonable (less than 90 days), and then submitted things to NVIDIA with a paragraph that stated when I planned on releasing the bug to the public. I think that's the best balance I was able to figure out between making sure the public gets the information quickly and giving NVIDIA a chance to fix their mistakes before the public gets hurt.

Whether I chose the disclosure period appropriate or not, that's what I thought was right given the information I had, and that's what's setting the timeline. :)
 

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