Hacking Question Any point on staying on 2.3.0 firmware?

[AlhazenTheMad]

Should I stay on this firmware, or should I just update to 3.0.0 with my Pokken Tournament DX revision 000? Based on the firmware status guide by Nah3DS, 2.3.0 and 3.0.0 are interchangeable? It also seems as though things are being developed primarily for 3.0.0? Any suggestions?

 

[ihaveahax]

SciresM has said there is no real point staying on 2.0.0 - 2.3.0 now, so you can update to 3.0.0.

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[TheCyberQuake]

SciresM has said there is no real point staying on 2.0.0 - 2.3.0 now, so you can update to 3.0.0.

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I love that message. Mostly because 4.x "fixable in the long term, but not short term" and then it ends up getting a fix in short term. But otherwise yes that post is good.
Cfw and trustzone will be released for 1.0.0 first, then 2.x-3.0.0, then 3.0.x, and finally 4.x.

 

[ootnes2]

One downside is that for some people 3.0.0 has a weird battery bug.

 

[Duhasst0]

Lower fw is always better.

 

[SoslanVanWieren]

Idk why they have to delay it on the newer firmwares the exploit already works and its going to get patched anyways. is it just so its fair for people who kept there switches on a lower firmware?

 

[TheCyberQuake]

Idk why they have to delay it on the newer firmwares the exploit already works and its going to get patched anyways. is it just so its fair for people who kept there switches on a lower firmware?

Didn't I already explain why to you (might have been someone else, don't remember)? The Deja vu exploit is the same, but the exploits to privilege escalate enough to access Deja vu are different between them. Along with that the cfw will likely need to be modified to work on each firmware

 

[Duhasst0]

Idk why they have to delay it on the newer firmwares the exploit already works and its going to get patched anyways. is it just so its fair for people who kept there switches on a lower firmware?

No, not at all actually. You want to stay on earlier fw, because bugs get patched out, which is where exploits live. They develop one that works for an early fw wait for a new one and check it against new, check and see if they are patched out. Release if it is, or hold off until is. Then as cfw comes out you update to the lastest cfw until the end of time. But always being behind the ofw to keep access to Homebrew.

 

[SoslanVanWieren]

No, not at all actually. You want to stay on earlier fw, because bugs get patched out, which is where exploits live. They develop one that works for an early fw wait for a new one and check it against new, check and see if they are patched out. Release if it is, or hold off until is. Then as cfw comes out you update to the lastest cfw until the end of time. But always being behind the ofw to keep access to Homebrew.

with the 3ds they relased exploits that weren't even patched yet.

 

[TheCyberQuake]

with the 3ds they relased exploits that weren't even patched yet.

But the 3ds had pretty poor security, and Nintendo didn't have bug bounties set up. Meaning Nintendo usually didn't know about vulns until they were released. Along with that it has hardmod downgrading at the very least, and softmod downgrading before arm9 exploits popped up for latest firmware. The switch has no chance of being downgraded, and with its much tighter (albeit still flawed) security, any exploit could be the last for at least a long time. On top of that bug bounty program makes it so even vulns that homebrew devs don't know about can be patched if others find them first. The switch is a very different beast and the devs would rather play the waiting game to potentially get exploits to last across more firmwares than expend them all in one go.

 

[RitchieRitchie]

Total noob here so please hate me for being stupid, but don't they have the keys for 1-2.3 fw? It seemed like that was a big thing (not that I really understood it) so wouldn't staying on 2.3 be better?

 

[Duhasst0]

Total noob here so please hate me for being stupid, but don't they have the keys for 1-2.3 fw? It seemed like that was a big thing (not that I really understood it) so wouldn't staying on 2.3 be better?

Yes, stay low. They have some keys, but not console specific keys.

 

[Xyphoseos]

One downside is that for some people 3.0.0 has a weird battery bug.

What does it do ?

 

[The Real Jdbye]

Total noob here so please hate me for being stupid, but don't they have the keys for 1-2.3 fw? It seemed like that was a big thing (not that I really understood it) so wouldn't staying on 2.3 be better?

That's exactly why 3.0 is better. You can't run 3.0+ games without either having the keys or being on 3.0 (which has the keys built in)

 

[merlin555]

I have Firmware 2.3.0 and waiting for a final Homebrew.
And have a second Switch with v4.1.0 :-)

 

[tataniko]

I don't update.
1.0.0 -2.3.0 is same key level (0).

 

[machinoman]

I don't update.
1.0.0 -2.3.0 is same key level (0).

i don't believe this is accurate. edit: i was thinking of efuses.

 

[tataniko]

i don't believe this is accurate. edit: i was thinking of efuses.

- Device Key is unique -
- MasterKey0, Package1 Key, HCI Header Key, NCA Header Encryption Key are public -

 

[TheCyberQuake]

Total noob here so please hate me for being stupid, but don't they have the keys for 1-2.3 fw? It seemed like that was a big thing (not that I really understood it) so wouldn't staying on 2.3 be better?

Keys only mattered when they didn't have trustzone. Now that they have trustzone sploits, having the keys makes no difference

 

[Nkrlz]

Apart from the fact that CFW will come much faster to 2.0.0 and 3.0.0, wouldn't it be "better" (in the sense that you can paly more games/play online, until the next update) to update to the latest (4.x something) if they got trustzone hax there?