US Government to shut down in less than an hour, would be first single-party shutdown ever

[Xzi]

Fair enough, although a lot of them did go under. If I recall correctly, he opened a mortgage business just before the recession. He also had an airline, a steak company, and several casinos that went under

Trump lost pretty much all of his daddy's money. Deutsche Bank and Ladder Capital have given Trump his new money, but that's tied up in loans. Of course, Deutsche Bank doesn't really expect Trump to pay this stuff back, he already welched on them once but they kept loaning to him anyway for some mysterious reason (*cough* Putin). Deutsche Bank is now under scrutiny by both the FBI and Mueller's investigation, and they very recently handed over records of suspicious transactions from Jared Kushner.

http://www.newsweek.com/deutsche-ba...ushners-suspicious-transactions-robert-786011

 

[Xzi]

So we're close to the next shutdown deadline (because the tax cuts took a bigger financial toll than expected, math isn't Republican's strong suit) and this thread is once again relevant. Trump is throwing a hissy over funding for his border wall that he promised Mexico would pay for, and not the US taxpayers. So he actually said the words, "I'd love to see a shutdown."

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/372576-trump-id-love-to-see-a-shutdown

(Video with audio included in the article)

Eliminating all doubt about who to blame if another does happen.

 

[ThisIsDaAccount]

So we're close to the next shutdown deadline (because the tax cuts took a bigger financial toll than expected, math isn't Republican's strong suit) and this thread is once again relevant. Trump is throwing a hissy over funding for his border wall that he promised Mexico would pay for, and not the US taxpayers. So he actually said the words, "I'd love to see a shutdown."

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/372576-trump-id-love-to-see-a-shutdown

(Video with audio included in the article)

Eliminating all doubt about who to blame if another does happen.

Ffs weren't they just gonna do the deal where Trump gets the wall and the Democrats get DACA?

 

[Xzi]

Ffs weren't they just gonna do the deal where Trump gets the wall and the Democrats get DACA?

I don't believe anything was explicitly agreed upon, and even if it was, you can't expect Trump to stay in an agreeable mood for very long.

This isn't even related to budget talks really, it has only come about because the government is running out of funding faster than expected after the corporate tax cuts. That cost a lot of money, and now Republicans want the taxpayers to foot yet another bill that we see no personal benefit from paying.

 

[Futurdreamz]

I don't believe anything was explicitly agreed upon, and even if it was, you can't expect Trump to stay in an agreeable mood for very long.

This isn't even related to budget talks really, it has only come about because the government is running out of funding faster than expected after the corporate tax cuts. That cost a lot of money, and now Republicans want the taxpayers to foot yet another bill that we see no personal benefit from paying.

Maybe they intend to cut expenses instead?

 

[Xzi]

Maybe they intend to cut expenses instead?

They want to cut specific things, like Social Security and Medicade/Medicare, but that's more a result of their political agenda than a desire to balance the budget. This administration's spending has been far higher than most from the start, and GWB already proved that Republicans don't care about the deficit or overspending when they're the ones in charge.

 

[Xzi]

Second shutdown has begun:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42999286

"I'd love to see a shutdown." - DJT

 

[ThisIsDaAccount]

Second shutdown has begun:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42999286

"I'd love to see a shutdown." - DJT

A new budget just passed the Senate though. It seems this shutdown will only be a few hours long (which is how long it will take the House to pass it).

 

[Xzi]

A new budget just passed the Senate though. It seems this shutdown will only be a few hours long (which is how long it will take the House to pass it).

The Senate is bad enough, but never underestimate the stupidity of the House. Hopefully it does pass.

 

[ThisIsDaAccount]

The Senate is bad enough, but never underestimate the stupidity of the House. Hopefully it does pass.

Fair enough, but the House is a large Republican majority, and Paul Ryan wants the new budget passed.

 

[brickmii82]

 

[ThisIsDaAccount]

The shutdown is over.

 

[the_randomizer]

This government is full or morons, and it's been that way for decades.

 

[ThisIsDaAccount]

I actually just spent an hour to watch that entire speech, and I must say that I do believe it was good. I don't stand with Rand Paul on a whole lot of issues, but I appreciate that he's willing to say that all deficits are bad, not just Democrat deficits.

What made me really mad, however, is when he said he didn't care to turn down tax cuts because he thinks they increase liberty. That really frustrated me, because it shows this guy is no deficit hawk, he's just a spending hawk. If you cut taxes by a trillion dollars, then it's gonna take a trillion dollar spending cut to get you back to where you are, and I can guarantee you it's not easy to cut spending by a trillion. Just cutting spending and but also cutting taxes doesn't fix the debt, it leaves if exactly where it is.

Rand Paul mentioned that if we don't fix the debt, there's gonna be a day of reckoning where we all pay for it. That hit really close to home, because I moved to the US because the day of reckoning came for the country I'm from (Argentina). If you're curious about that, take a look at this. The US is in a better position than Argentina was, since the US has its debt in dollars, its own currency (which it doesn't have to convert) and Argentina's spending was even worse because of rampant corruption, with Argentinian politicians actually sending tax money to their own bank accounts, aka stealing it. The US situation isn't nearly as bad, so it's day of reckoning isn't any time soon. Nevertheless it's gonna come, and Rand Paul needs to stop saying "muh tax cuts" and actually pass a tax increase along with spending cuts. We don't need libertarianism, we need austerity.

 

[Captain_N]

Dems would rather worry about DACA then actually funding the government. The priority should be a good bill to keep government operations going before you worry about anything to do with immigrants... No one in that damn place cares about the true issues and the massive debt that not even all the gold in the world can solve. If those 80% Americans want the DACA kids to be citizens so bad then why dont they pay for all the paper work then?

 

[the_randomizer]

Dems would rather worry about DACA then actually funding the government. The priority should be a good bill to keep government operations going before you worry about anything to do with immigrants... No one in that damn place cares about the true issues and the massive debt that not even all the gold in the world can solve. If those 80% Americans want the DACA kids to be citizens so bad then why dont they pay for all the paper work then?

First, I think the government should streamline the process for those who want to be citizens, to actually have the possibility in reach and not some pipe dream. As it stands now, the path to citizenship for immigrants is a bloody joke. Second, sanctuary cities who are harboring illegal immigrants from deportation should be penalized with heavy fines.

 

[ThisIsDaAccount]

Dems would rather worry about DACA then actually funding the government. The priority should be a good bill to keep government operations going before you worry about anything to do with immigrants... No one in that damn place cares about the true issues and the massive debt that not even all the gold in the world can solve. If those 80% Americans want the DACA kids to be citizens so bad then why dont they pay for all the paper work then?

The Dems supported the budget that just got a vote, and it doesn't have DACA.

Also, Republicans also told Trump that he shouldn't repeal DACA

 

[Captain_N]

The Dems supported the budget that just got a vote, and it doesn't have DACA.

Also, Republicans also told Trump that he shouldn't repeal DACA

Both sides should know by now Trump is a big troll. By getting pissed at him and trying to get at him by sitting on their hands at the State of the Union speech, hes gonna troll them even harder. He knows he can make them act by trolling the crap out of them. He makes both sides play the Game his way. Its impressive how he has destroyed the media as well. They are so salty. CNN is clueless as what to do with him lol.

 

[the_randomizer]

Both sides should know by now Trump is a big troll. By getting pissed at him and trying to get at him by sitting on their hands at the State of the Union speech, hes gonna troll them even harder. He knows he can make them act by trolling the crap out of them. He makes both sides play the Game his way. Its impressive how he has destroyed the media as well. They are so salty. CNN is clueless as what to do with him lol.

CNN can suck it, any station is better than them.

 

[ThisIsDaAccount]

Both sides should know by now Trump is a big troll. By getting pissed at him and trying to get at him by sitting on their hands at the State of the Union speech, hes gonna troll them even harder. He knows he can make them act by trolling the crap out of them. He makes both sides play the Game his way. Its impressive how he has destroyed the media as well. They are so salty. CNN is clueless as what to do with him lol.

I'm not gonna argue this point a lot because I've gotten tired of arguing it, but I'll say that I disagree that Trump is a master politician looking to manipulate both sides by pissing them off. I think he's just generally got little patience and doesn't understand politics much.

As for the DACA part, I think he just chose to repeal it because his aides told him to, in fact, the reason for the first shutdown (the one that didn't last two hours) was that Republicans Democrats agreed to pay for both the wall and DACA, and Trump was all for it till he changed his mind two days later because Steven Miller told him to not do it. He literally turned down his biggest campaign promise, the wall, because he threw a tantrum

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CNN can suck it, any station is better than them.

CNN can definitely suck it, but every other cable station is just as bad. They're all just looking for profits and ratings, there are much better news sources than cable news