Neo-Nazi Group "Atomwaffen Division" Linked to 3 High-Profile Murders in US

[TotalInsanity4]

An extremist hate group known as the "Atomwaffen Division" have now been linked with 5 murder cases, at least three of which made national news. The group's philosophy is to bring a new wave of fascism to America, with violent, physical activism being their preferred (and only) modus operandi. As their actions are politically motivated, they can officially be classified as a terror group consisting of at least 80 members known nationwide, of which at least a portion are capable of building explosive devices.

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So uh... yeah... what are your thoughts? I'm in the US and I'm quite frankly more disappointed than anything, though I say that from the relative comfort of my small rural Iowan community.

 

[Xzi]

I don't see this discussion going too well, but thanks for posting this anyway. According to a recent ADL report, white supremacists killed more American citizens in 2017 than Muslims and Antifa combined:

https://www.adl.org/news/press-rele...supremacist-murders-more-than-doubled-in-2017

 

[TotalInsanity4]

I don't see this discussion going too well, but thanks for posting this anyway. According to a recent ADL report, white supremacists killed more American citizens in 2017 than Muslims and Antifa combined:

https://www.adl.org/news/press-rele...supremacist-murders-more-than-doubled-in-2017

Has anyone supporting Antifa actually killed anyone?

 

[Deleted-355425]

Has anyone supporting Antifa actually killed anyone?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)

 

[enarky]

The term 'antifa' makes my blood boil. That's one of the words the right has "invented" to stop discussion. Yes, there are people who are anti-fascist, yes, the short form is antifa, but no, this is not a club you join, it's a mindset you have. The only thing it's good for is whataboutism, to distract from the real issues. You point out real problems with racists and nazis and all you get is "but what about antifa".

 

[TotalInsanity4]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)

Physical violence is listed so who knows.

From the references it quotes all I'm seeing is property damage and non-lethal police altercations

 

[Xzi]

Has anyone supporting Antifa actually killed anyone?

According to the ADL report, 3% of 387 killings in 2017 were Antifa/all left wing extremists, ~11 people. ~275 killings associated with white supremacists/all right wing extremists.

The report doesn't mention Antifa specifically, so it's hard to say those deaths are attributed to them specifically.

 

[Joe88]

I don't see this discussion going too well, but thanks for posting this anyway. According to a recent ADL report, white supremacists killed more American citizens in 2017 than Muslims and Antifa combined:

https://www.adl.org/news/press-rele...supremacist-murders-more-than-doubled-in-2017

Unfortunately what the adl doesn't take into account is if the killing were motivated by white supremacy
https://www.adl.org/education/resou...sm-in-the-united-states-in-2017#the-incidents

Wesley Andrew Hampton, a self-declared white supremacist, and another defendant allegedly robbed and murdered a man in a home invasion.

This one in particular should even be on the list, its just a home robbery and a murder, his partner in crime was black on top of that

Greeley, Colorado, August 16, 2017.
Kelly Raisley, believed to be a member or associate of the 211 Crew white supremacist gang, was arrested on first-degree murder charges for the murder of his uncle, Randy Gene Baker. Baker’s wife and sister were similarly arrested. The motive was apparently personal.

murder was personal motive, shouldnt be on there

Aryan Circle member Edward Blackburn allegedly shot and killed another man who was reportedly dating his ex-girlfriend.

yet another personal motive, its just a murder

Ricky Dubose, a member of the Ghostface Gangsters white supremacist prison gang, and another inmate, Donnie Russell Rowe, reportedly killed two corrections officers while trying to escape from a prison bus. They were later recaptured.

prison inmates killed guards to escape, not white supremacy motivated

and this one is a weird one

White supremacist Devon Arthurs allegedly shot to death two of his roommates for making fun of his recent conversion to Islam. All three, and a fourth roommate, were members of Atomwaffen, a neo-Nazi group.

so im gonna take a guess this went under the white supremacist killing toll rather than islamic, though its really just personal motive and not motivated by either ideology

Robert Hunt, an inmate with white supremacist tattoos, some common to prison gangs, is accused of stabbing to death an African-American inmate, Jorge Slaughter.

http://www.northescambia.com/2017/0...er-of-century-correctional-institution-inmate
that makes 0 reference to white supremacy
http://www.pnj.com/story/news/crime...ved-ones-stabbing-death-century-ci/758407001/
this one claims that he was white supremacist because of the family of victim (who are suing the jail) said he is
That one shouldn't be on the list at all, adl just used a poor source for that one, just seems to be prison gang violence if you want to pin it on anything

 

[Navonod]

I've never heard of ADL until now. Were did they get their numbers from?

Edit: I'm not defending anyone here but it seems they are the only ones reporting it.

 

[x65943]

I've never heard of ADL until now. Were did they get their numbers from?

Edit: I'm not defending anyone here but it seems they are the only ones reporting it.

Antidefamation league - they are usually pretty on ball - they are well known and respected. Although they do list Pepe as a hate symbol.

 

[Navonod]

Antidefamation league - they are usually pretty on ball - they are well known and respected. Although they do list Pepe as a hate symbol.

Sounds like a another over sensitive group to me. What we need to do is gather up all the Extremists on all sides, and leave them on an island.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Antidefamation league - they are usually pretty on ball - they are well known and respected. Although they do list Pepe as a hate symbol.

Whether or not people like it, Pepe has become an un-ironic symbol of the alt-right. The creator has addressed it and expressed his disappointment, and multiple high-profile members of neo-nazi/white supremacist groups have been seen using it (most famously, Richard Spencer was actually explaining his Pepe the Frog suit pin to a reporter before he got fuckin' decked just a little over a year ago)

Obviously, though, context of the use of imagery matters

 

[chrisrlink]

so i guess one finally broke the non violent mold of WS (I mean as the group is dedacated to violence) i'd love to see trump say "they're good people" THAT would end his career right then and there

 

[Navonod]

so i guess one finally broke the non violent mold of WS (I mean as the group is dedacated to violence) i'd love to see trump say "they're good people" THAT would end his career right then and there

I'm pretty sure he wouldn't say anything close.
https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/politics/trump-condemns-charlottesville-attackers/index.html

 

[chrisrlink]

also this prove to everyone (who are not stupid) that all terrorist are not always muslim

 

[TotalInsanity4]

I'm pretty sure he wouldn't say anything close.
https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/politics/trump-condemns-charlottesville-attackers/index.html

You've got to remember that that came more than 48 hours after this: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-...le-over-white-nationalist-rally-live-updates/

 

[Deleted User]

also this prove to everyone (who are not stupid) that all terrorist are not always muslim

i think the only people who didn't believe that were ignorant at best.

 

[Kioku]

You've got to remember that that came more than 48 hours after this: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-...le-over-white-nationalist-rally-live-updates/

He only directly mentioned it after because the pressure was on him. He shouldnt have to specifically state one group or the other. Both sides were to blame in that predicament. I also highly doubt he explicitly ignored the reporter. It's a bait story.

 

[Navonod]

Yeah I've read that link like three times. I don't understand your counter argument. Or the point your trying to make.
I can however tell you that Trump has no control over who supports him. He also clearly condemns hatred and bigotry on "many sides".
Including WS.

 

[Kioku]

also this prove to everyone (who are not stupid) that all terrorist are not always muslim

This only further enforces that. I don't know how ignorant you'd have to be to associate terrorism to one race, religion, or group of people.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

This only further enforces that. I don't know how ignorant you'd have to be to associate terrorism to one race, religion, or group of people.

Fox news has spent probably 15 years trying to convince its audience that that's the case