Gaming Do you think USUM will leak early like SUMO did?

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How early?

That's certainly not always the case, the online store I usually use, as they have good prices and I almost always get games 1-2 days early, only get games in stock 3 or 4 days before release. Big retailers might get it sooner I suppose, but they're also less likely to leak it.
A couple days early in furst in Geneva
 

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I hope not. It could bring on another banwave (the last one happened around the FE Echoes release).
Why don't you want another banwave? How are we supposed to spend the time waiting for the games to actually come out without idiots entertaining us? If you play after release it's safe, so I don't see why a leak would be bad...
 
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Why don't you want another banwave? How are we supposed to spend the time waiting for the games to actually come out without idiots entertaining us? If you play after release it's safe, so I don't see why a leak would be bad...
Well it wouldn't be a problem if we knew everything about the bans and if everyone were 100% truthful about them. I've used homebrew with Wi-Fi enabled and haven't been banned, I've modified saves, I don't use FreeShop and I don't play games early. But people claim to do none of those things and still got banned.
 

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Well it wouldn't be a problem if we knew everything about the bans and if everyone were 100% truthful about them. I've used homebrew with Wi-Fi enabled and haven't been banned, I've modified saves, I don't use FreeShop and I don't play games early. But people claim to do none of those things and still got banned.
I think it is random who gets banned I do essentially all the things thought to get you banned but haven't been
 

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I think it is random who gets banned I do essentially all the things thought to get you banned but haven't been
I doubt it's random. There's something to trigger it since it was a bunch of people getting banned. It could be something really minor or it could be a specific version of a *.cia. People who have spent a fair amount of money on the eShop were banned too.
 

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Well it wouldn't be a problem if we knew everything about the bans and if everyone were 100% truthful about them. I've used homebrew with Wi-Fi enabled and haven't been banned, I've modified saves, I don't use FreeShop and I don't play games early. But people claim to do none of those things and still got banned.
Then they are probably lying!:P

What triggers the ban IS known, it's going online in-game or with the game loaded (eg: connected to the internet and switching to the browser while the game is running in the background). It's NOT simply having playtime on the game, otherwise all reviewers from sites like IGN would have gotten banned too! Some of the people doing pre-release reviews have said that too, Nintendo told them to simply not go online for as long as the game is running (that includes playing single player but with wifi on). If you play offline, then close the game and go on a different game and play online there, Nintendo will almost certainly not consider you a pirate (although there have been VERY rare occasions). So there you have it, play offline and you will be fine! However, there's also another flag, save files that started before release date are relatively often flagged on the first 3 days of a release, so either start a new game the moment the games are officially released or don't play online during the 3 days after release. The 3 days have been set by Nintendo for a couple games now and are a way to tell who started the game earlier through a possible leak, but after 3 days they stop the flagging since there have been unjust bans in the past just because some people had wrong date on their systems (time zone mix-ups, etc.).

To sum up, don't have the game running, either with you playing or suspended in the background while having the wifi on prior to official release and if you started playing with a leaked copy, either start a new game on release date or wait 3 more days before playing online and you can avoid the bans (NOT 100% certain method though as there can be other unknown factors).

Finally, if the leak comes from a review copy, for the love of god, redownload the game from an actual dump or FreeShop since review copies have different IDs and could very possibly trigger a ban! Review copies are always shipped back to Nintendo, so if they see you playing on one, things can get bad.
 
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Then they are probably lying!:P

What triggers the ban IS known, it's going online in-game or with the game loaded (eg: connected to the internet and switching to the browser while the game is running in the background). It's NOT simply having playtime on the game, otherwise all reviewers from sites like IGN would have gotten banned too! Some of the people doing pre-release reviews have said that too, Nintendo told them to simply not go online for as long as the game is running (that includes playing single player but with wifi on). If you play offline, then close the game and go on a different game and play online there, Nintendo will almost certainly not consider you a pirate (although there have been VERY rare occasions). So there you have it, play offline and you will be fine! However, there's also another flag, save files that started before release date are relatively often flagged on the first 3 days of a release, so either start a new game the moment the games are officially released or don't play online during the 3 days after release. The 3 days have been set by Nintendo for a couple games now and are a way to tell who started the game earlier through a possible leak, but after 3 days they stop the flagging since there have been unjust bans in the past just because some people had wrong date on their systems (time zone mix-ups, etc.).

To sum up, don't have the game running, either with you playing or suspended in the background while having the wifi on prior to official release and if you started playing with a leaked copy, either start a new game on release date or wait 3 more days before playing online and you can avoid the bans (NOT 100% certain method though as there can be other unknown factors).

Finally, if the leak comes from a review copy, for the love of god, redownload the game from an actual dump or FreeShop since review copies have different IDs and could very possibly trigger a ban! Review copies are always shipped back to Nintendo, so if they see you playing on one, things can get bad.
Is it specifically just games before the release or have they started applying it to pirated games as well? And honestly why people would lie about not playing a game early in the hacking and homebrew section is just beyond me.
 
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What. (Oh, these ain't no leaks)
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Is it specifically just games before the release or have they started applying it to pirated games as well? And honestly why people would lie about not playing a game early in the hacking and homebrew section is just beyond me.
They CAN'T tell apart pirated games unless it's eshop exclusives and you have allowed the sending of information. I don't know what idiot started the rumor that games show up differently on play records if they are pirated, but that it wrong. Pirated games and legit games can only be differentiated if it's an eshop exclusive, as Nintendo has LITERALLY no way to know if you are playing with a game cart or a digital download.
 

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They CAN'T tell apart pirated games unless it's eshop exclusives and you have allowed the sending of information. I don't know what idiot started the rumor that games show up differently on play records if they are pirated, but that it wrong. Pirated games and legit games can only be differentiated if it's an eshop exclusive, as Nintendo has LITERALLY no way to know if you are playing with a game cart or a digital download.
How does the being eShop exclusive factor in for being able to tell piracy? The 3DS still has the ticket and it's installed so shouldn't it pass whatever checks?

Or do you just mean that it'll be visible because it'll have a unique title ID?
 
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How does the being eShop exclusive factor in? The 3DS still has the ticket and it's installed so shouldn't it pass whatever checks?
I wasn't talking about the tickets. Cartridges and digital versions are counted as the same game as long as they are the same region (eg: MH4U digital and retail share play time) and Nintendo has NO way to tell them apart. They won't ban you because you don't have the ticket in your console since cartridges don't use tickets and if they started banning people over that, literally everyone who has ever used a cartridge would be banned already! However, eshop exclusives are different because if the ticket is missing, you CAN'T have play time in the game unless you pirated it, as it's impossible to have a cartridge with it. Do you understand what the difference is now?
 
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Do you understand what the difference is now?
So basically it doesn't matter if a game available physically is on your account's purchase history because it could be a cartridge. But the eShop exclusive games can't be a cartridge so they can see the purchase history and tell it's pirated because there's play time?
 
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So basically it doesn't matter if a game available physically is on your account's purchase history because it could be a cartridge. But the eShop exclusive games can't be a cartridge so they can see the purchase history and tell it's pirated because there's play time?
Yes, but then again, if you disable the sending of information, they shouldn't be able to know your play time in games and stuff like that to begin with!:P

Just don't worry about bans, don't do something stubbornly stupid like what people did in the past banwaves and everything should be all good! Hell, I literally have my EU NNID linked to niconico, which is a japanese region eshop exclusive app that uses purchases too for bonuses, and MHXX as my favorite game (I own the cartridge but dumped it to use CIA one instead to keep game slot free) and I haven't even gotten a temporary ban in all the years I've had my 2DS!:rofl2:
 
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