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You should learn your own history tho because the Japanese were winning the war hence the atom bomb had to be used wich is still seen as the most cowardly weapon ever used killing thousands of innocent people and still to this day and even after the first Atom bomb they were still beating your asses that you used a second bomb on Nagasaki killing children, woman and children who had nothing to do with the war.

LOL really the Japanese are the moral compass? HAHAHAH How about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre :teach:

Sorry we beat cha but but somebody had to lose. I'm just glad the countries are allies after the spanking the US put on in WW2.
 
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LOL really the Japanese are the moral compass? HAHAHAH How about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre :teach:

Sorry we beat cha but but somebody had to lose. I'm just glad the countries are allies after the spanking the US put on in WW2.
I'm not japanese but Japanese were still beating your asses ;) It was actually by the intervention of Russia that world war 2 was won because before Russia you were losing the war against 1 small country. That's the problem with you Americans, you're Always so full of yourself and then you wonder why the whole world hates you
 

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There is already a wall on the border. He's just going to make a bigger one.

Absolutely NOTHING will change for you. If you're not a drug dealer, rapist, robber, etc, nothing will change. You'll be getting into the USA the same way as ever and your country will lose nothing, besides foreign jobs ( which would be your own fault ).
I think that's part of the point. Why spend so much money on something that won't change a thing? Getting over/under a wall won't take long. The second point is why waste money on something that assumes those coming across are drug dealers, rapist, robbers, etc? It's throwing away money on something that doesn't even remotely address the "problem" with immigration.
 

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I'm not japanese but Japanese were still beating your asses ;) It was actually by the intervention of Russia that world war 2 was won because before Russia you were losing the war against 1 small country. That's the problem with you Americans, you're Always so full of yourself and then you wonder why the whole world hates you

Uh did I misunderstand, or did Japan surrender because of the nukes? Now it's Russia? LOL

The Japanese surrendered very quickly after ze nukes, they said "we want deal!".
 
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Uh did I misunderstand, or did Japan surrender because of the nukes? Now it's Russia? LOL
Jezus Christ learn your history please. Or atleast use some proper grammar so that i can understand what you're saying. American and can't even spell in his own native language. You def sure you're not an illegal ?
 
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I'm not japanese but Japanese were still beating your asses ;) It was actually by the intervention of Russia that world war 2 was won because before Russia you were losing the war against 1 small country. That's the problem with you Americans, you're Always so full of yourself and then you wonder why the whole world hates you
DUDE, I am mexican and sorry but you are wrong, japan had already lost.
 
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DUDE, I am mexican and sorry but you are wrong, japan had already lost.
Impossible to even have a healthy discussion with some people on here that they can't even look stuff up before spouting nonsense. The reason the atom bomb was used was because Japan was beating the US army and the US army had difficulty defeating the Japanese. They were suprised mostly by Kamikaze soldiers that was popular among that time being that Japanese were very proud people of their own culture and country. Most US soldiers also had problems adjusting to the climate battles were fought in when the Japanese had no problems since they were used 2 that climate.Politicians were asking for a swift solution because 2 many soldiers were dying by the hand of the Japanese that the nation cried out and were starting to act towards the goverment and people were starting to rise up against them and the goverment didn't want that so they used the atom bomb.
 
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Jezus Christ learn your history please. Or atleast use some proper grammar so that i can understand what you're saying. American and can't even spell in his own native language. You def sure you're not an illegal ?

:rofl2: I'm drying here HAHAHAHAHAHA
 

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Impossible to even have a healthy discussion with some people on here that they can't even look stuff up before spouting nonsense. The reason the atom bomb was used was because Japan was beating the US army and the US army had difficulty defeating the Japanese. They were suprised mostly by Kamikaze soldiers that was popular among that time being that Japanese were very proud people of their own culture and country.Politicians were asking for a swift solution because 2 many soldiers were dying by the hand of the Japanese that the nation cried out and were starting to act towards the goverment and people were starting to rise up against them and the goverment didn't want that so they used the atom bomb.

Shorter version: The US spanked Japan, and then Japan surrendered! LOL

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if he wants a wall so badly why doesn't he pay for it? smh

Because it's to keep Mexicans in Mexico.
 
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I think that's part of the point. Why spend so much money on something that won't change a thing? Getting over/under a wall won't take long. The second point is why waste money on something that assumes those coming across are drug dealers, rapist, robbers, etc? It's throwing away money on something that doesn't even remotely address the "problem" with immigration.

Do you even realize how ridiculous you sound?
Yes, it will help stop rapist's, drug dealers, and illegals from making it here ILLEGALY!
No, it's not wasting money since Mexico WILL be paying for the wall!

Yes, Immigration is a HUGE (YUGE) problem! and by not building this wall only influences RAPIST'S, DRUG DEALERS and ILLEGALS to continue their bullshit ways.!

Also, Border Patrol has been ordered to do their jobs now instead of stand down! So between this and the fact of a more monsterous wall, I don't see much time for them to acheive their goal and make it across for the most part.
 
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Shorter version: The US spanked Japan, and then Japan surrendered! LOL

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Because it's to keep Mexicans in Mexico.
Shorter version: The US were cowards and couldn't defeat Japan in COMBAT so they used the cowards way out and killed 100 000's of children, women and innocent men. That's acually what you usually do so yeah ;)
 

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Dear Flying Spaghetti Monster! This kind of thread is going to be something we are going to endure for the next 4 years, right?

While it's good to see some fellow Mexicans here on the forum worried about the state of things, and its certainly comforting reading some post with good spirit, centered and well informed opinions, I think we all have to be realistic in this situation we're facing.

Mexico is going to pay for Trump's wall, one way or another. FACT

I'm not saying it's "the way to go" or that it's the right thing to do or that it'll be easier that way or that I agree with it, far from it, but it's just a conclusion that it's been speculated (and now is a reality) since the US Republican Party campaigns.

The figure of the US president can (and will) invoke certain special powers onto itself which can grant it the capacity to emit bills, executive orders and decisions based on certain "special emergency states". This is not new nor rare, in fact Obama used this kind powers in its past administration to pass part of the Obama Care initiative and to reform certain aspects of the US immigration policies (both of this instances surely are going to be reversed now).
In this scenario, by declaring an "economic emergency state" (hence the "trade deficit") Trump can emit an order or bill to retain all US dollars sent to Mexico by the Mexican immigrants (legal or otherwise), this money is known here in Mexico as "remesas", and oh boy! you can bet all of your collective asses it's a lot of frigin money, it can pay for the wall during the the years of the Trum administration easily.

On the other hand, the Mexican government is a weak, ignorant, unprepared, selfish and self centered. This has been obvious the whole length of its administration, and cemented as true during this past 3 months. This government thought they could fly by 6 years basically doing nothing and hoping for the best and well, worst is knocking right outside the north door, and of course they don't know what to do now that it's the biggest ally is turning into some kind of resented and abusive husband that still has to tolerate with the ugly, unorganized, unattractive and costly wife (but still f**ks her from time to time, just to leave clear who's the MAN)

This leaves us with two heads of states, one with all the power and authority over the submissive and powerless one.
It's not difficult to see where this is going.

In the past, not once Mexico has stood opposite to the US, not once since the swift US invasion in which the US troops took the Castillo de Chapultepec and Mexico loose horribly, Mexico has always been the submissive wife, idiologiclally, economically and politically.

I think I t's best to sit back a little while, read more about the history of the complex relationship between MX and USA, observe without any kind of prejudice the actions of both governments and learn, really LEARN about what's happening, because at the endo of the day it's our responsibility wats happening right now, and it's our responsibility to try and succeed in preventing this kind of situation again.

Oh! And brace ourselves and try to prepare ourselves, it's going to be some very difficult and rough 4 years (maybe more...)
 

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Do you even realize how ridiculous you sound?
Yes, it will help stop rapist's, drug dealers, and illegals from making it here ILLEGALY!
No, it's not wasting money since Mexico WILL be paying for the wall!

Yes, Immigration is a HUGE (YUGE) problem! and by not building this wall only influences RAPIST'S, DRUG DEALERS and ILLEGALS to continue their bullshit ways.!

Also, Border Patrol has been ordered to do their jobs now instead of stand down! So between this and the fact of a more monsterous wall, I don't see much time for them to acheive their goal and make it across for the most part.
well, hopefully you're not saying that mexican residents are more likely to be rapist, drug dealers, etc. I'm just going to assume you're saying that in a general "those kinds of people are also trying to cross", and that the immigration process is meant to weed those kinds of folks out...somehow.

Mexico isn't going to build the wall without us giving them some benefit. Maybe not in the form of money, but the only way they're buidling it is through threats or through indirect money (NAFTA). Why would they build it just because we ask them nicely?

And yes, immigration is a problem. I said as much. I also said building a wall isn't going to actually impact the problem. A real solution may look like, making the immigration process smoother and faster for people. Something quicker and easier than the nearly impossible path to permanent residency we currently have.

And you can order boarder patrol all you'd like, but they're stretched thing and paid poorly. Until you hire more people and give them proper incentives to do their job, just yelling at them isn't going to do much
 
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Dear Flying Spaghetti Monster! This kind of thread is going to be something we are going to endure for the next 4 years, right?

While it's good to see some fellow Mexicans here on the forum worried about the state of things, and its certainly comforting reading some post with good spirit, centered and well informed opinions, I think we all have to be realistic in this situation we're facing.

Mexico is going to pay for Trump's wall, one way or another. FACT

I'm not saying it's "the way to go" or that it's the right thing to do or that it'll be easier that way or that I agree with it, far from it, but it's just a conclusion that it's been speculated (and now is a reality) since the US Republican Party campaigns.

The figure of the US president can (and will) invoke certain special powers onto itself which can grant it the capacity to emit bills, executive orders and decisions based on certain "special emergency states". This is not new nor rare, in fact Obama used this kind powers in its past administration to pass part of the Obama Care initiative and to reform certain aspects of the US immigration policies (both of this instances surely are going to be reversed now).
In this scenario, by declaring an "economic emergency state" (hence the "trade deficit") Trump can emit an order or bill to retain all US dollars sent to Mexico by the Mexican immigrants (legal or otherwise), this money is known here in Mexico as "remesas", and oh boy! you can bet all of your collective asses it's a lot of frigin money, it can pay for the wall during the the years of the Trum administration easily.

On the other hand, the Mexican government is a weak, ignorant, unprepared, selfish and self centered. This has been obvious the whole length of its administration, and cemented as true during this past 3 months. This government thought they could fly by 6 years basically doing nothing and hoping for the best and well, worst is knocking right outside the north door, and of course they don't know what to do now that it's the biggest ally is turning into some kind of resented and abusive husband that still has to tolerate with the ugly, unorganized, unattractive and costly wife (but still f**ks her from time to time, just to leave clear who's the MAN)

This leaves us with two heads of states, one with all the power and authority over the submissive and powerless one.
It's not difficult to see where this is going.

In the past, not once Mexico has stood opposite to the US, not once since the swift US invasion in which the US troops took the Castillo de Chapultepec and Mexico loose horribly, Mexico has always been the submissive wife, idiologiclally, economically and politically.

I think I t's best to sit back a little while, read more about the history of the complex relationship between MX and USA, observe without any kind of prejudice the actions of both governments and learn, really LEARN about what's happening, because at the endo of the day it's our responsibility wats happening right now, and it's our responsibility to try and succeed in preventing this kind of situation again.

Oh! And brace ourselves and try to prepare ourselves, it's going to be some very difficult and rough 4 years (maybe more...)


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