Hacking Gateway 3ds: A9LH, Downgrade, Release Planned on May 22nd

[The Catboy]

Maybe you should let GW users worry about that, rather than being upset on behalf of them, for a product you don't use? Just seems like yet another reason for people who are content with their cfw to bash GW. Besides GW users can always choose to switch if we like. We can always give up .3ds and GW cheat engine for cfw or even use both if we like, meanwhile you lot are stuck with .cia (oh wait, that's not a problem because you can install overnight or use ciangle or whatever other reason to downplay any advantage gw has).

It's not like GW hasn't been value up until the CFW matured.

I grabbed mine on release and since then it's gone from single roms, no emunand, no card 2. To the state it's in today, even if they dropped support today that's a good run and damn good value. For a huge portion of that, what were all the "gw sucks" guys doing, oh yeah, crying at the devs for not giving them cfw, until a leaked unstable cfw made it's apparance.

It's also a commercial flashcart. There's no guarantee of support. You buy based on what's available now. The cart being expensive doesn't change that. Just like every other flashcart, support will stop and will probably stop without any news. Nobody carried on like this for gba flashcarts, or how about the slot 2 ds carts (just as expensive as Gateway), that just stopped updating their clients and that was that. No one cried then, slot-1 cards took over, slot 2 died off. But GW are supposed to support their cart forever or be bashed by people content with cfw, so content they just can't stay out of gateway threads.

I am not bashing the product, I honestly want a Gateway myself and I use the Gateway launcher myself for dumping my own games and backing up my NANDs. But people should be upset. They paid for this product, yet they are stuck with out-of-date technology, when free users get cutting-edge shit. If you paid 80$, you should get 80$ worth of support.

 

[VinsCool]

I am not bashing the product, I honestly want a Gateway myself and I use the Gateway launcher myself for dumping my own games and backing up my NANDs. But people should be upset. They paid for this product, yet they are stuck with out-of-date technology, when free users get cutting-edge shit. If you paid 80$, you should get 80$ worth of support.

This is pretty much why I sold my Gateway LMAO

 

[VeryCrushed]

But people should be upset. They paid for this product, yet they are stuck with out-of-date technology, when free users get cutting-edge shit. If you paid 80$, you should get 80$ worth of support.

I'd rather not be on the cutting edge, considering its less tested and more likely to have issues. "People should be upset" were not, that's all that matters. We are happy with our purchases, we don't need people telling us what we should and shouldn't be upset about.

We have a working flashcard that has maintained support for many years and will most likely continue to have support for many to come. Why would we be upset about that?



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[astronautlevel]

I'd rather not be on the cutting edge, considering its less tested and more likely to have issues. "People should be upset" were not, that's all that matters. We are happy with our purchases, we don't need people telling us what we should and shouldn't be upset about.

We have a working flashcard that has maintained support for many years and will most likely continue to have support for many to come. Why would we be upset about that?



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Except at this point k9lh is in no way "cutting-edge" or "dangerous." It's the standard for CFW entrypoints, and is extremely safe to set up even if you don't know what you're doing, as Plailect's guide spoonfeeds you.

 

[GuyInDogSuit]

About time. And it happens to be releasing tomorrow, hopefully.

 

[Armadillo]

I am not bashing the product, I honestly want a Gateway myself and I use the Gateway launcher myself for dumping my own games and backing up my NANDs. But people should be upset. They paid for this product, yet they are stuck with out-of-date technology, when free users get cutting-edge shit. If you paid 80$, you should get 80$ worth of support.

And who decides what $80 of support is?

I paid $80 on release and of the top of my head the card has gone from when I bought:

Single rom. No eumnand, no spoofing of any kind. No card 2 support.

And that was it, nothing was promised, the above was what I got. Since then it's gone to what it is today. That seems like $80 of support to me.

 

[VeryCrushed]

Except at this point k9lh is in no way "cutting-edge" or "dangerous." It's the standard for CFW entrypoints, and is extremely safe to set up even if you don't know what you're doing, as Plailect's guide spoonfeeds you.

And we will have this tested and non cutting edge feature within most likely the next week. I'm not in a rush, and nether are other GW users.

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[CreAtor135]

jeah my english is bullshit, sorry


Gateway was good. They first hacked the 3ds for piracy. They made the first good working cfw, made emunand and so on. But without some other guys, gateway wouldn't exist.
without Ichfly: No MSET, no Entrypoint
Without Smea: No 9.2 Exploit
Without Rei: No >10.3 emunand for n3ds users
Without TuxSH, Steveice etc: No memchunkhax, no downgradetey

Thats the problem. Gateway is stealing the code without credits. They sell "innovations" as their "own work" but all they have to do is to read source codes and program (whitch takes 6 months at gateway.)
Almost forgot: And they love adding brick code, but they should hurry in the development. 6 Months for downgrade, SALT made it in under 5 days. But Salt is not better than gateway... But do you guys see the difference? 5 days vs 6 months, 1 week vs 24 weeks... Something isn't right there.

Wanna cite your sources there bud?
also, don't bring up any private exploits you can find on 3dbrew.

 

[stl25]

GW gave people a way to downgrade when the magic number was 4.5, oh yeah and you didn't even need to be a GW owner. Most people hate GW for these reasons: They do not own it so when release threads pop up they have nothing to look forward to. They bought a clone and bricked. They bought the Sky3DS and got trumped by the AP introduced by Nintendo and bypassed by GW. They feel superior stating they play cia for free. If I left anything out (I am sure I have), feel free to add them in your reply. What I hate about GW is the handling of this particular release. GW haters please reference my sig.

 

[garyopa]

And who decides what $80 of support is?

I paid $80 on release and of the top of my head the card has gone from when I bought:

Single rom. No eumnand, no spoofing of any kind. No card 2 support.

And that was it, nothing was promised, the above was what I got. Since then it's gone to what it is today. That seems like $80 of support to me.

Normally, I don't like to get into 'debates', but I do agree for those that jump onboard in the early years $80 of cost was well worth the support so it.

Gateway was first announced on: 05-30-2013, 11:28 AM (Hey, come to think of that, that would be be perfect time for next FULL non-beta release!)

Since then 1088 days have pass by, that is is only 7 cents per day for support and usage!

But on the otherhand, it does suck for those that bought a Gateway 3DS card just because of the new news announced back on March 29th, and have been waiting everyday for the update to do what it claims it will do, I can understand those being a bit upset over the delay, but the delay is nothing more difference then like people ordering a PS4 because of the demos of DriveClub or Uncharted at E3, then waiting year or two for it to get released, only to have not being as good as they hoped it would be or as the demo showed it off. -- Gateway delays have infact been getting less and less each time, compared to the early very long GateWait pre-announcements before release.

 

[VeryCrushed]

Normally, I don't like to get into 'debates', but I do agree for those that jump onboard in the early years $80 of cost was well worth the support so it.

Gateway was first announced on: 05-30-2013, 11:28 AM (Hey, come to think of that, that would be be perfect time for next FULL non-beta release!)

Since then 1088 days have pass by, that is is only 7 cents per day for support and usage!

But on the otherhand, it does suck for those that bought a Gateway 3DS card just because of the new news announced back on March 29th, and have been waiting everyday for the update to do what it claims it will do, I can understand those being a bit upset over the delay, but the delay is nothing more difference then like people ordering a PS4 because of the demos of DriveClub or Uncharted at E3, then waiting year or two for it to get released, only to have not being as good as they hoped it would be or as the demo showed it off. -- Gateway delays have infact been getting less and less each time, compared to the early very long GateWait pre-announcements before release.

I bought my GW in 2014 and had my N3DS on pre order. GW was pretty much the only good option in terms of CFW for the N3DS at the time. I'm happy with the support, especially considering there has only ever been one card that's been released. I know many had it well before me, and I find the support length to be more then acceptable.

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[sj33]

These kinds of threads always seem to end up becoming very polarised.

People who own a Gateway and have never explored beyond that struggle to understand why people are so interested in new developments that threaten Gateway, such as A9LH. People become quite protective of their purchase and often don't have the time or inclination to look into newer ways of doing things when their existing setup seems to do everything they need.

On the other hand, people who have never used a Gateway (or no longer use one) love to berate people for finding value in their Gateway, and wonder why they haven't moved on. This is especially true for people who have only joined the scene since CFW have appeared, and thus don't remember the days when Gateway was the bet (and only real) choice.

Rationality is somewhere in the middle. Gateway remains a decent card which, while falling behing the open source CFWs in terms of support and feature set, continue to function perfectly well for most of their users. At the same time, Gateway users would do well to explore other devlelopments such as A9LH and open source CFW to see what more usage and features they can extract from their console.

 

[VeryCrushed]

I personally come from a point of having tried and used FOSS CFW's, and I do recommend them especially if just joining the scene. But the biggest issue has been non GW owners and people coming onto this thread just to bash it.

I continue to use my GW, and a close friend of mine uses CFW. At the time, GW was the only real good choice. So that's what I went with, he joined later on when CFW was more widely available.

Stick with what you are happy with.

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[CreAtor135]

These kinds of threads always seem to end up becoming very polarised.

People who own a Gateway and have never explored beyond that struggle to understand why people are so interested in new developments that threaten Gateway, such as A9LH. People become quite protective of their purchase and often don't have the time or inclination to look into newer ways of doing things when their existing setup seems to do everything they need.

On the other hand, people who have never used a Gateway (or no longer use one) love to berate people for finding value in their Gateway, and wonder why they haven't moved on. This is especially true for people who have only joined the scene since CFW have appeared, and thus don't remember the days when Gateway was the bet (and only real) choice.

Rationality is somewhere in the middle. Gateway remains a decent card which, while falling behing the open source CFWs in terms of support and feature set, continue to function perfectly well for most of their users. At the same time, Gateway users would do well to explore other devlelopments such as A9LH and open source CFW to see what more usage and features they can extract from their console.

I couldn't agree more. I feel like @zhdarkstar sums it up best.

500k words? Nah... But I will contribute something about the current state of the 3DS modding community.

I think that a lot this has to do with a generational gap in the makeup of the GBATemp 3ds modding community. When I say "generational," I'm referring to when they entered the community and not their actual age. As I see it, there are pretty much three generations in the 3DS scene.

The first generation is the MSET generation. These are the members who can vividly remember the day when we saw the words "WE HACKED IT!" Those who are of this generation are likely to be GW Users or one of the unfortunate souls who bought a clone card only to get bricked or lose support. When 6.x save encryption came about, they learned that maintaining a modded 3DS meant that certain complications would arise (and workaround steps to be completed) when it came to preventing save data loss when GW support of SysNAND >4.X finally came around. Content with what has been working for them for years, most of them only come out of hiding sporadically to check out the latest GW news before leaving the boards for another few months. Since it's been a few months since the last GW update, we're starting to see some of these members pop back up again looking for answers. This is what's led to a growing contention between the members of this generation who remain regularly active in the community and the third generation of 3DS modders. I'll go more into this later.

The second generation of 3DS modders are the *hax/Sky3DS generation. The reason I included Sky3DS in this category is because of how instrumental it was in the proliferation of Ninjhax/OoTHax, as both hacks were initially limited in potential user base to however many units of those games remain in the world. Users of this generation are the first ones to have free CFWs with little to no cost. The only cost that those users paid was for the exploitable games, a cost that was later mitigated by BrowserHax/MenuHax. To this generation, the use of a flashcart was seen as more of a luxury than a necessity. Sky3DS may have failed as a legitimate flashcart contender by not adjusting their price to match the times, but has become a useful modding tool for those who come into contact with unmodified consoles of various regions.

Last, but not least, are the A9LH generation of 3DS modders. They are the most recent generation to the 3DS scene and have become a bit of a nuisance in the process. The extent of knowledge about other hacks that most of these modders have is the brief amount of time spent using the *hax family as part of Plailect's OTP Guide. To them, flashcarts like the GW and Sky3DS are seen as archaic and obsolete. Whenever a GW User pops out of hiding for their sporadic check of the 3DS scene, the A9LH generation tends to simply engage in copypasta of the OTP Guide link and doesn't take the GW User's specific setup into consideration because of a lack of knowledge regarding that period of 3DS modding history. This, combined with a rampant superiority complex, has fostered a situation where these interactions can invite complications to the A9LH installation.

A big issue that this lack of knowledge can cause, which many people tend to overlook, is save data loss when coming from a 4.x SysNAND setup. Because of the way GW EmuNAND works, 3DS games use the save encryption of the SysNAND regardless of what FW the EmuNAND has. When a GW User with this particular setup decides to take the plunge into using newer hacks, they will have to go through an arduous task of decrypting and encrypting each GW save on a game-by-game basis in order to maintain save data integrity.

I know this is going to sound like hippie nonsense, but it's simply my humble opinion. If we're going to see the 3DS scene continue to thrive in the endgame stages of the 3DS lifecycle, then we need to see a behavioral shift in the way the different generations interact with each other.

A9LH users need to recognize that A9LH doesn't invalidate every other hack that came before it. Without those prior hacks, we would have never been able to get to A9LH in the first place. If you're going to suggest a user change from one hack to A9LH, make sure that you have a working knowledge of the hack they are currently using. Without it, you may end up doing the user more harm than good.

Users from the other two generations need not feel pressured into having to update to A9LH, if they don't want to. The old hacks still work just fine. That said, those who do want to upgade should do their own research and not simply blindly follow the advice of someone who doesn't know about your particular setup. This is especially true the further removed your generation of hack is from the current generation. There are usually more chances for complications going from one mod to another than going from stock to modded. Be well-informed and only install the mods you feel comfortable using.

 

[Rob Blou]

The problem with Gateway, is that people paid for this product and still have to wait months for the same features that free users have been using the entire time. My 3DS is already running A9LH and my CFW's work just fine and I didn't pay a dine for this cutting-edge tech. Compared to people who paid upwards to 80$ for a product that they've had to wait months to see progress and now there seems to another delay.
I don't even on this cart and I am pissed off to not see a release already.

I didn't pay 80$ for A9LH and CFW ... I paid 63$ for the only 3ds solution that only supported one game at the time back in the days. Then I was really happy to see that they introduced multi roms with drag and drop and a fancy menu and so on ... the rest I can get for free like everyone else but my 80$ gave me amazing feature for 3 years and now they are still supporting it. Keep in mind that 1 game is now between 40 and 60$ here in Canada. It was more than worth the 63$ I paid for it. What I don't understand is why ppl spend their time posting multiple negative comments on thread of products they hate. I hate Apple, Chevrolet and many other companies but there are not enough hours in a day for me to waste my time on their forums

 

[sj33]

I think people are within their rights to expect Gateway to keep their product contemporary with the development of the scene.

 

[VeryCrushed]

As far as we know, we payed for a flashcard. Not the support of it as much as some would like to think that.

They don't have to keep up to date with the scene, most of us have accepted that they don't.

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[Townsperson]

Everybody does realize that Gateway hasn't followed through on their claims since January, right? It's one thing to enjoy the card, but another thing entirely to defend the company. You want to continue using a Gateway? That's fine. You want to stay on 9.2 (Or be super edgy and stay on 4.5)? Go nuts. But let's stop acting let Gateway is even a little competent at this point. They come out with big "Look guys, we're working really hard. We'll get all of those things you want working, don't worry." claims, but end up providing nothing. No downgrade options for people on 9.2+ (Which they talked about in January... You know, 4 months ago). No A9LH. Hell, there isn't even proof that they did any actual "beta testing". I sincerely hope that they actually did start testing, and are in the process of working things out, but... Don't hold your breath.

Gateway may have been good way back when, but as of late, they're crap. The card still works, and that's fine, but the company is pure, unadulterated crap. Even if they come up with A9LH support (At some point... Soon...), they're still lagging behind people who do this work for free. In their spare time.

 

[xIce101x]

The problem with Gateway, is that people paid for this product and still have to wait months for the same features that free users have been using the entire time. My 3DS is already running A9LH and my CFW's work just fine and I didn't pay a dine for this cutting-edge tech. Compared to people who paid upwards to 80$ for a product that they've had to wait months to see progress and now there seems to another delay.
I don't even on this cart and I am pissed off to not see a release already.

I got mine when it was a single rom flashcart. No emunand, no menu, no region free, nothing. It just played roms. Even though I don't use it much anymore I definitely got my $80 out of it.

 

[zoogie]

People who complain about gateway's support lack perspective. Think about all the DS, DSi, and 3ds cards that were abandoned/blocked almost as soon as they were released. Then here's gateway, three years in, still supporting the same product.