Hacking Is it legal to force an update?

[iStormZ]

Hello all

I have a little question, is it legal to force an update on a device, especially on the wii u ?
Many people have lost the hack because of a forced upgrade to 5.5. I know that the wii u request the user if he want to update (on start). But why the update is performed in the background without any permission if nintendo servers are not blocked ??

Thx in advance and sry for my english

 

[Kioku]

Isn't it in the tos that they reserve the right to do so?

 

[kumikochan]

It's in the agreement Nintendo forces every user to sign by clicking yes.

 

[gudenau]

It is legal. Although skimming though the ELUA stuff I do not see it mentioned. Just use TubeHAX or something for the DNS.

 

[Flux0]

Legal or not, they can get by with it. Steam does the same stuff. When a new EULA comes up you have to agree to it or your games are locked away until you do.

At least the Wii U is a console that doesn't require going online every so often to function, so you can just keep it offline permanently on whatever version you have.

 

[Clydefrosch]

dude, theres no law for or against it, but if the law ever gave enough shit to answer that question, it would, without any doubt, not be on your side

 

[CLOUD9RED]

dude, theres no law for or against it, but if the law ever gave enough shit to answer that question, it would, without any doubt, not be on your side

Of course there's a law at play, Contract Law is also a law...

 

[tbb043]

Given that even normal updates have a slight potential to brick the system if something goes wrong (like a power outage during an update, which in some areas are more common at certain times of the year) it really should never happen without some sort of affirmative consent from the user.

It is legal. Although skimming though the ELUA stuff I do not see it mentioned. Just use TubeHAX or something for the DNS.

Or spoof the firmware so it thinks it already updated. Or go belt & suspenders and do both.

 

[Awesomeness]

No, those people should sue because their hax got patched, TBH

 

[fukseliten]

since the wiiU has no internal storage , nintendo managed to bypass the law with their lawyers so they dont have to follow the same rules that Sony and MS must use.
They sell it with the same type of TOS that is used for handhelds and whatnot ,so its not defined as a computer pr. law , like PS4 and Xbox.

This means they can update it for online usage as much as they want without warning the customers ,and its very much legal ,yes .

 

[blackalabi]

No, those people should sue because their hax got patched, TBH

Not sure if sarcasm or not. As others have said auto updates is mentioned in the Terms of Service, which you to agree to else you can't use the Wii U and its online services. If someone, were for some reason going to attempt to sue Ninty over this, they would be laughed out of the courtroom.

 

[NWPlayer123]

Not sure if sarcasm or not. As others have said auto updates is mentioned in the Terms of Service, which you to agree to else you can't use the Wii U and its online services. If someone, were for some reason going to attempt to sue Ninty over this, they would be laughed out of the courtroom.

not to mention the EULA makes you agree to waive your right to sue

 

[fukseliten]

not to mention the EULA makes you agree to waive your right to sue

Thats only in America for now . The rest of the world, at least Europe and parts of Asia, still have some consumer rights left luckily.

 

[Supster131]

Thats only in America for now . The rest of the world, at least Europe and parts of Asia, still have some consumer rights left luckily.

I'm pretty sure the EULA for the Wii U is the same throughout the entire world.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong though.

 

[fukseliten]

I'm pretty sure the EULA for the Wii U is the same throughout the entire world.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong though.

That might be so ,but EU and most other "western" countries (except the tax havens f.ex in the panama papers) still have consumer rights to always be able to sue a company or a product if needed.

Its only in the USA that its stated in law that companies are equal to , and even sometimes surpass , humans when it comes to basic rights.
I recommend that they vote for Bernie if they want some consumer rights back

 

[A Plus Ric]

You don't own their software. You are licensing use with it. Therefore they can fore as many updates as they want as they own the OS and software written on the system.

 

[H3llbender]

You don't own their software. You are licensing use with it. Therefore they can fore as many updates as they want as they own the OS and software written on the system.

To-do list:
- Gain IOSU access
- Write whole new OS that copes with the hardware

No more forced updates.

No reason to ever use the Wii U again.

 

[Supster131]

To-do list:
- Gain IOSU access
- Write whole new OS that copes with the hardware

No more forced updates.

No reason to ever use the Wii U again.

Would it really be that easy?

Getting an emuNAND (or redNAND, which smea already showed off) working on the Wii U would probably be more ideal.
Have TubeHAX DNS on your sysNAND, disable all the auto-updating stuff, then just use emuNAND on the latest firmware.

 

[Captain_N]

Legal or not, they can get by with it. Steam does the same stuff. When a new EULA comes up you have to agree to it or your games are locked away until you do.

At least the Wii U is a console that doesn't require going online every so often to function, so you can just keep it offline permanently on whatever version you have.

This is why i cant stand things like steam. No body can stop me from playing a pc game like empire earth if i dont go online or agree to some ever changing tos.... This why i dont buy digital download pc games...

 

[H3llbender]

Would it really be that easy?

Getting an emuNAND (or redNAND, which smea already showed off) working on the Wii U would probably be more ideal.
Have TubeHAX DNS on your sysNAND, disable all the auto-updating stuff, then just use emuNAND on the latest firmware.

Obviously, that would be the best route to go. I was just seeing things the way Nintendo would want to see it.

without the iosu exploit part...