NX leaks ? forums full of "nintendo is doomed" people , stupid followers or what?
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Financially doomed? Probably not. They seem to still have a way with gimmicks and a few cash cows if nothing else.
Chances of them becoming the cultural driving force/touchstone they once were, which is just as bad as being dead from my perspective? Allow me to laugh harder.
Chances of them doing something I can not get elsewhere? There might be some technical examples of this but most of what they do I can get passable versions of elsewhere these days.
"we literally don't know even the concept of NX, or the controller, or the specs,"
I thought we saw some patents? Nothing there particularly inspired confidence.
Yeah the Bayonetta stuff was ridiculous, amusing though.
Would I care if Nintendo up and stopped everything tomorrow? It is a company so no, not at all, but even if I was so inclined then still no as they have not done much for me in many years.
"not buying it because wii was a fad and we must demonstrate it"
A sound policy from where I sit. Buying something sight unseen from a company with a track record as poor as Nintendo's in recent times and with no indication that they have changed would be a silly idea. On the gamepad then was it really that big a deal? We have had most of the things it could do before and though nice it was hardly something being cried out for.
Short version. It is Nintendo's job is to impress me (or those like me) and they have not. To that end if people want to be critical and dismissive then I can not fault them.
Chances of them becoming the cultural driving force/touchstone they once were, which is just as bad as being dead from my perspective? Allow me to laugh harder.
Chances of them doing something I can not get elsewhere? There might be some technical examples of this but most of what they do I can get passable versions of elsewhere these days.
"we literally don't know even the concept of NX, or the controller, or the specs,"
I thought we saw some patents? Nothing there particularly inspired confidence.
Yeah the Bayonetta stuff was ridiculous, amusing though.
Would I care if Nintendo up and stopped everything tomorrow? It is a company so no, not at all, but even if I was so inclined then still no as they have not done much for me in many years.
"not buying it because wii was a fad and we must demonstrate it"
A sound policy from where I sit. Buying something sight unseen from a company with a track record as poor as Nintendo's in recent times and with no indication that they have changed would be a silly idea. On the gamepad then was it really that big a deal? We have had most of the things it could do before and though nice it was hardly something being cried out for.
Short version. It is Nintendo's job is to impress me (or those like me) and they have not. To that end if people want to be critical and dismissive then I can not fault them.
As long as Nintendo keeps pushing out decent affordable handhelds, I'll probably keep buying them. There's not many alternatives for handhelds. Sure, Sony has their impressive handhelds but rarely games that I'm interested in to back them up, also the steep price tag is a bit of a turn off. Bit of a shame, I find Sony's handhelds more comfortable and not encumbered by a secondary screen gimmick.
As for everything else, I think Nintendo as a collective is dickish and narrow, but I don't think they'll be going out of business anytime soon. Plenty of companies are dicks, so that's nothing new.
As for everything else, I think Nintendo as a collective is dickish and narrow, but I don't think they'll be going out of business anytime soon. Plenty of companies are dicks, so that's nothing new.
Fake leaks, sure but I am not seeing so many of those go wide and most leaks just seem to lack context*. Patents are very much fair game though -- it speaks a lot to the eventual abilities and, these days at least, control, network and even some software (Sony had a few of these for their trophments and DLC for "classic" games) approaches that are going to be used, or at least heavily considered. To my mind they are far better than sales even.
*the anti second hand/sharing stuff MS was considering for the xbone leaked in various forms way ahead of that presentation. Turns out it was worse than people feared from the leaks once the context was offered but was still something. It could be that game companies are predictable and you can make up leaks (my prediction for all game consoles these last few years was they make hardware about that of a similarly priced PC, give or take a loss leader/making it up on software, and thus far I have been right but nobody would have bet otherwise) but I am not about to dismiss things entirely.
"Attach rates for games like MK or Smash"
Where does that list end? We are probably still counting on one hand before it gets iffy and will not need a third before that list reaches way too far. To that end I have to wonder if the wii next is only going to be a smash and mario kart machine then would it be similar to me dropping silly money on an arcade machine (and depending upon the arcade machine a wii next + a couple of controllers and accessories plus the games is not far off)?
"And yes Nintendo Marketing dep. is unarmed against this attacks..."
Against low level and persistent grumbling and apathy? For the most part it is the opposite of hype and hype is probably the bread and butter of any marketing department worth considering. Fake scandals, it is a potent tool ( http://www.cracked.com/article_16656_6-brainwashing-techniques-theyre-using-you-right-now.html did my favourite basic writeup of the concept).
If such techniques can sway me (and frankly the only reason for me to buy a console on day 1, or even year 1, is to stick it in the cupboard for eventual hacks or because it is a cheap media player) then I probably deserved to be swayed.
All in all though I am still not sure why I should be worried, concerned or even trying to prevent/dissuade such discussion.
*the anti second hand/sharing stuff MS was considering for the xbone leaked in various forms way ahead of that presentation. Turns out it was worse than people feared from the leaks once the context was offered but was still something. It could be that game companies are predictable and you can make up leaks (my prediction for all game consoles these last few years was they make hardware about that of a similarly priced PC, give or take a loss leader/making it up on software, and thus far I have been right but nobody would have bet otherwise) but I am not about to dismiss things entirely.
"Attach rates for games like MK or Smash"
Where does that list end? We are probably still counting on one hand before it gets iffy and will not need a third before that list reaches way too far. To that end I have to wonder if the wii next is only going to be a smash and mario kart machine then would it be similar to me dropping silly money on an arcade machine (and depending upon the arcade machine a wii next + a couple of controllers and accessories plus the games is not far off)?
"And yes Nintendo Marketing dep. is unarmed against this attacks..."
Against low level and persistent grumbling and apathy? For the most part it is the opposite of hype and hype is probably the bread and butter of any marketing department worth considering. Fake scandals, it is a potent tool ( http://www.cracked.com/article_16656_6-brainwashing-techniques-theyre-using-you-right-now.html did my favourite basic writeup of the concept).
If such techniques can sway me (and frankly the only reason for me to buy a console on day 1, or even year 1, is to stick it in the cupboard for eventual hacks or because it is a cheap media player) then I probably deserved to be swayed.
All in all though I am still not sure why I should be worried, concerned or even trying to prevent/dissuade such discussion.
Althought the Wiiu flopped , and is underpowered compared to ther current gen consoles , you have to give it to nintnedo they try the different and alternate ideas , wether right or wrong , lets be honest was anyone surprised at what the ps4 or xbone was when it arrived . nothing innovative , just more horses again.
its simply content for me , or the lack of .
its simply content for me , or the lack of .
After being burned with the Wii U and not giving a flop about the 3DS I've all but stopped caring about anything Nintendo does anymore.
I literally don't care if they continue making their content or not.
I hope they do just so there's a company out there to give kids something to play since most other consoles cater to more mature audiences, but considering my younger brothers and nephews think Nintendo is fucking stupid and only care about smartphone games and minecraft, I'm hard pressed to consider their future to be the shining force it was back in the day.
I literally don't care if they continue making their content or not.
I hope they do just so there's a company out there to give kids something to play since most other consoles cater to more mature audiences, but considering my younger brothers and nephews think Nintendo is fucking stupid and only care about smartphone games and minecraft, I'm hard pressed to consider their future to be the shining force it was back in the day.
Yeah, the Wii U is the console I'm most interested in whenever I get around to it. I can already play most of the PS4/X180 games on my PC, and the rest of them aren't really aimed at me.
But if you're a fanboy of any for profit company, you're an idiot with a mark on your wallet.
I feel like the whole "Nintendooooom!" thing is mostly driven by sites like IGN and Kotaku (ew,) who seem to really be pushing the idea that Nintendo is doomed because they don't have as many 3rd Party games. It seems less sales driven and more driven on just the want to have Nintendo fail because Nintendo doesn't suit their 3rd party means.
Nintendo is not doomed. They are a very healthy company. Wii U might have been a failure as far as what they wanted to sell but they still made money on it.
I wouldn't put to much in to patents. A lot of patents are filed by every company that never get used.
Nobody knows what the NX is, but Nintendo has said it will be a departure from the Wii ecosystem so all of that is getting left behind. The safe bet is that it's going to be more powerful than the Wii U but not as powerful as PS4 or Xbox one. Hopefully with a game cube type controller.
I have a feeling they intend to launch strong with NX, Zelda U will probably be a launch title (maybe cross platform with U, maybe not) and probably the next major entry in the Mario series will be there as well, and a few other heavy hitters they have under wraps that may have been intended to be Wii U games but the decision was made to pull the plug and the whole ship is doing a 180 right now. They won't say it publicly but Wii U is dead. Hell it's not even getting a single 2016 title until April, and that's Star Fox.
I have I doubt it will be a strong launch problem is, Nintendo can't maintain momentum especially without 3rd party support.
I wouldn't put to much in to patents. A lot of patents are filed by every company that never get used.
Nobody knows what the NX is, but Nintendo has said it will be a departure from the Wii ecosystem so all of that is getting left behind. The safe bet is that it's going to be more powerful than the Wii U but not as powerful as PS4 or Xbox one. Hopefully with a game cube type controller.
I have a feeling they intend to launch strong with NX, Zelda U will probably be a launch title (maybe cross platform with U, maybe not) and probably the next major entry in the Mario series will be there as well, and a few other heavy hitters they have under wraps that may have been intended to be Wii U games but the decision was made to pull the plug and the whole ship is doing a 180 right now. They won't say it publicly but Wii U is dead. Hell it's not even getting a single 2016 title until April, and that's Star Fox.
I have I doubt it will be a strong launch problem is, Nintendo can't maintain momentum especially without 3rd party support.
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I feel like those remarks aren't entirely unfair though.
I mean, look at the Wii U in general that is only barely surviving on the exclusive first party titles it has, vs the PS4.
The PS4 barely even HAS any exclusives and has still managed to sell an unprecedented 36Million units and counting day by day.
Whose to say what happens when the NX does launch. I mean, it's already been shown with the Wii U that it will NOT survive without 3rd party support. People like to think Nintendo's big vault of money will prevent them from going out of business soon, and that may be loosely true, but they CANNOT afford a second failure.
They cannot survive on the few fans that they didn't burn with the Wii U, they need to be an attractive force or it will only be doomed to repeat the failures of the Wii U.
I have no great love for the let's play set but there have long been professional reviewers, those seeking to contemplate art of others and writing about it and those otherwise earning a crust using the end results of another's art in one form or another. I would also argue that the creator program was quite poorly thought out and implemented.
Also it is hard and I would usually discourage a certain level of separation but it is entirely possible to have your passion and your job align well.
It's a little exaggerated, but I am more talking about those who are pushing the Nintendoom. I found the whole Nintendoom being mostly prevalent in the IGN forums and most of the people seemed more upset about lack of 3rd party games. Now of course, this is based off observation, so I could be wrong.
Nintendo burned me on wiiu. Sold mine red 2014 due to lack of games to play beyond theirs and they're kind of hit and miss lately. With me only wanting starfox I ditched it. Given how wii did which I didn't onto after its life was replaced by wiiu and both making me get a ps3&4 to fill the void I won't buy NX unless they have solid backing or if it is also a handheld since I trust them for that still. They lost my trust on consoles being twice burned. Sony proved they have a lot of first/second party games and a strong mix with third party that it can be done. Nintendo needs to find a working balance and get away from just self centered extremes.
Hell, the games on Wii U that interest me aren't even theirs, save one: Bayonetta 2, Wonderful 101, and Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze. Star Fox looked good until they started pushing their silly gamepad. Console wise, this generation hasn't impressed me at all. Luckily, between my PC, HTPC, and 3DS I haven't been hurting for games.
So why even bother reading those threads? Of course nintendo is going to get hit on: it ticks the boxes for many reasons:
-nintendo sticked with their market for a young audience. Those who grew up on nintendo's products can feel a bit bitter when they find themselves outside that demographic (meaning: they want more mature content)
-nintendo is innovative in the most literal way of the word: they try something new each time. And it's much easier to mock someone who tries something and fails than make fun at someone who just keeps things safe and does only what is already proven successful (graphics aside, what exactly does xbone and PS4 do that can't be done on their predecessors?).
-bad timing. On paper and in development, the wiiu was a phenomenal product. But before it hit the market, tablets became mainstream and surpassed them. And the launch was overshadowed by the fact that MS and sony also were going to launch newer consoles in the near future.
-the "doomed" on financial field is just a moronic lie. You can try to correct them with their earnings, but they won't hear you. All they'll see is a product that isn't to their liking and assume it therefore is of nobody's liking.
-as to games, nintendo is a victim of their own success: because they make quality games, those who buy a nintendo console do it for the first party games. Third party developers have a hard time making a profit, so they'll ignore it mostly (okay, it being harder to program for is also a factor). Which puts further emphasis on the first party titles. Result: fan boys of third party games blame nintendo for being in this spiral, though the consumers and the developers are at least equal to blame.
-nintendo sticked with their market for a young audience. Those who grew up on nintendo's products can feel a bit bitter when they find themselves outside that demographic (meaning: they want more mature content)
-nintendo is innovative in the most literal way of the word: they try something new each time. And it's much easier to mock someone who tries something and fails than make fun at someone who just keeps things safe and does only what is already proven successful (graphics aside, what exactly does xbone and PS4 do that can't be done on their predecessors?).
-bad timing. On paper and in development, the wiiu was a phenomenal product. But before it hit the market, tablets became mainstream and surpassed them. And the launch was overshadowed by the fact that MS and sony also were going to launch newer consoles in the near future.
-the "doomed" on financial field is just a moronic lie. You can try to correct them with their earnings, but they won't hear you. All they'll see is a product that isn't to their liking and assume it therefore is of nobody's liking.
-as to games, nintendo is a victim of their own success: because they make quality games, those who buy a nintendo console do it for the first party games. Third party developers have a hard time making a profit, so they'll ignore it mostly (okay, it being harder to program for is also a factor). Which puts further emphasis on the first party titles. Result: fan boys of third party games blame nintendo for being in this spiral, though the consumers and the developers are at least equal to blame.
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