Smoking and your significant other.

[Foxi4]

My problem with your argument is exactly what you're saying in this post.

"Some people really do have a hard time letting people live their lives however they want."

That's a two way street, man, and it just so happens that we are walking towards each other on it. You want the freedom to smoke wherever you want, I want the freedom to not have to worry about inhaling smoke from cigarettes that I'm not smoking nor do I have any desire to. You can't claim that one party is being intolerant or stubborn without realizing that you yourself are too.

Edit - don't make me quote contradictions from other threads, now, too.

The problem with what you're saying is that non-smokers thoroughly enjoy moving goalposts. The amount of places where smokers are no longer allowed to smoke is gradually increasing. Depending on your geographical location, smoking can even be forbidden outdoors where it harms absolutely noone. I can understand how it would be unpleasant indoors, with little access to fresh air - even I don't like to sit in stagnant smoke and I've smoked for over a decade, but this is a ban that's slowly but surely becoming applicable to outdoor locations which is nonsense. Non-smokers are gaining ground, smokers are gradually forced out of public institutions, pubs, stores parks and now even streets when all we really want is sensible legislature that would allow us to enjoy the one little joy in life we have without impeding anyone. Like I said earlier, your stance basically means that you're not taking away my cigarettes, you're just making it virtually impossible for me to smoke them anywhere. I really don't understand what's so difficult in creating smoking areas, it's not a mind boggling concept. You say that it's a two-way street - fair enough, but it's not the smokers who are on the offensive, it's you guys who are banning us from smoking, not the other way around. We have no beef with you people, we just want want to be treated reasonably.

 

[osirisjem]

I'm extremely glad that I live in Australia in relation to cigarettes. No smoking in any establishments, except in designated "smoking zones" which are usually tucked away somewhere. This also includes no smoking in bars, pubs or clubs.
You must also be a certain number of metres away from from a school fence when smoking.

Same in Ontario.

Soon it will be illegal to smoke in a car with children. This may already be law, but I'm not too sure.

Already banned in Ontario.

Depending on your geographical location, smoking can even be forbidden outdoors where it harms absolutely noone.

Banned in Ontario too.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-banning-smoking-on-patios-playgrounds-jan-1-1.2827429

Vaping is a safe version of smoking ... everyone should switch over.

 

[Foxi4]

Same in Ontario. (...) Already banned in Ontario. (...) Banned in Ontario too.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-banning-smoking-on-patios-playgrounds-jan-1-1.2827429
Vaping is a safe version of smoking ... everyone should switch over.

Vaping isn't safe either and it's not for you to decide what's good for others. I don't see a reason to switch to anything, I just want to be treated like a human being.

 

[JoostinOnline]

I'm too stupid for a girl to be interested in me, but I'm still not stupid enough to smoke.

Vaping isn't safe either and it's not for you to decide what's good for others. I don't see a reason to switch to anything, I just want to be treated like a human being.

I did a website for a vaping company. I hated myself through the whole thing, and I kept trying to convince myself that it was good to promote it because some people use it to stop smoking. But I really, really needed the money.

Soul sold for food.

 

[corbs132]

I quit smoking after many years, my girlfriend tolerated it but didn't like it. Switched to an electronic cigarette and I feel much healthier now.

 

[Veho]

The problem with what you're saying is that non-smokers thoroughly enjoy moving goalposts. The amount of places where smokers are no longer allowed to smoke is gradually increasing.

Technically it's not moving goalposts if the ultimate goal is to ban smoking everywhere. The regulation as it is now is a compromise between the ultimate goal and the (dwindling) number of smokers, but the end goal itself has never moved

 

[Hungry Friend]

I've never used e-cigs, and to be honest I've only vaped weed a few times and it was a cheap vape, though not as shitty as an e-cig. When I think of vapes, I usually think of those larger ones that allow a plastic bag to fill with the vapor, cooling it a bit(you hold a hole to keep it inside) before you inhale it. As far as e-cigs go, never used one so that's not the kind of vaping I'm talking about. I mean old-school vaporizers generally associated with weed. I'm tired atm so I'm not sure about the safety of those & too lazy to research, but they are more economical than eating weed but if weed were legal everywhere, it wouldn't be so goddamn expensive.

Eating it is pretty much 100% harmless from a physical standpoint minus rare negative reactions, but it's harder to gauge the dose compared to vaping or smoking. When you vaporize or smoke weed, it kicks in within seconds, allowing you to get just the right dose if you take it one small-medium toke at a time. Eating it, especially because of the varying potency and effects of different types of cannabis, is much more unpredictable.

I don't know much about specific strains(100% illegal where I live, even for medical use which is fucking retarded) but the general rule is that denser buds are Indica dominant, giving you a more relaxed, couch locked stone while the thinner, whispy buds are Sativa dominant which are generally more energizing, psychedelic and shorter lasting, making them better for using early in the day. Indica dominant strains are generally better for things like pain plus they last longer.

Sativa strains often have a pine-like smell while strong indica buds are usually VERY skunky, but that shit varies from strain to strain. All strains today are, as far as I know, hybrids and pure Indicas or Sativas are very rare but I'm not 100%.

 

[Foxi4]

Technically it's not moving goalposts if the ultimate goal is to ban smoking everywhere. The regulation as it is now is a compromise between the ultimate goal and the (dwindling) number of smokers, but the end goal itself has never moved

Meanwhile my goal is the exact opposite - legalizing a variety of substances currently banned, restricted or illegal and letting people do whatever they want with their lives.

 

[DjoeN]

I quit smoking when i moved in with my (now wife) girl, i did not get any aid, my wife was aid enough (almost 16 years ago)
Before that, i never smoked in my car and never smoked in the house and never smoked when there where kids around. (I smoked around 1 package (25) every 4 days)

When i have visitors, they can smoke outside the house, i do not have a problem with ppl smoking, nor do i ever felt the need to pick up smoking again.
My house, my car and around my kids it's forbidden to smoke, i do try to avoid places where ppl smoke alot if i'm with my kids, but it's not possible always.

When ppl talked to me about me smoking, I always used to say "Smoked meat preserves long"
Now, when somebody says that to me, i say, "Yes, indeed smoked meat preserves longer but it's always dead meat"

But to be honest, if i was single and i met a girl i liked and she smoked, i would not mind, but i would try to get her quit smoking

 

[Foxi4]

I'm too stupid for a girl to be interested in me, but I'm still not stupid enough to smoke. I did a website for a vaping company. I hated myself through the whole thing, and I kept trying to convince myself that it was good to promote it because some people use it to stop smoking. But I really, really needed the money. Soul sold for food.

No matter what you do in life, you always trade your time for money. Vaping is definitely a healthier alternative to smoking, but it's not "healthy" and many people delude themselves that they've "quit smoking" by "vaping instead" - they haven't, they've just changed the delivery system. To me vaping is a stepping stone towards quitting completely, it shouldn't be something you do permanently. Then again, I have no urge to quit anytime soon, so I suppose it's something I should be terribly concerned about - I'm happy with how things are. What I'm less happy about are the taxes and tarrifs put on cigarettes - a pack of dried leaves wrapped in paper with some sponge at one end shouldn't cost £6+.

 

[RevPokemon]

No matter what you do in life, you always trade your time for money. Vaping is definitely a healthier alternative to smoking, but it's not "healthy" and many people delude themselves that they've "quit smoking" by "vaping instead" - they haven't, they've just changed the delivery system. To me vaping is a stepping stone towards quitting completely, it shouldn't be something you do permanently. Then again, I have no urge to quit anytime soon, so I suppose it's something I should be terribly concerned about - I'm happy with how things are. What I'm less happy about are the taxes and tarrifs put on cigarettes - a pack of dried leaves wrapped in paper with some sponge at one end shouldn't cost £6+.

The way it reminds me of is what a friend I had who does crossfit said its like vaping vs smoking is like lien cuisine vs McDonald s one is slightly better yet neither are healthy although one is said to be and one is kinda a good step to take to get healthy although more steps are needed

 

[Sicklyboy]

Unfortunately I'm having a hard time coming up with an argument right now that proves my point without proving the same point for alcohol, which I definitely enjoy. The only thing I can say about alcohol in this situation is with the exception of a pregnant female consuming it, there's no second hand part. Any bad second hand effects come from people being irresponsible or addicts, but not from just sitting in the same room as a glass of whiskey.

 

[Foxi4]

Unfortunately I'm having a hard time coming up with an argument right now that proves my point without proving the same point for alcohol, which I definitely enjoy. The only thing I can say about alcohol in this situation is with the exception of a pregnant female consuming it, there's no second hand part. Any bad second hand effects come from people being irresponsible or addicts, but not from just sitting in the same room as a glass of whiskey.

You could technically consider alcohol vapour, but that would indeed be a little silly. Either way, I have my poison and you have yours, I'm happy with that arrangement.

 

[stanleyopar2000]

the gf has a smoke like once or twice eveyr 2 years....and even then it's becoming rarer.

before we got together it was like 4 times a month. Her Mom smokes like maybe 4 times a week..adn that's when se's stressed...she hasn't done it once all year so far so I think she's doing it for me

 

[Deleted-355425]

You've got to die of somthing

 

[Hells Malice]

You could technically consider alcohol vapour, but that would indeed be a little silly.

I had a friend get drunk without drinking because she was in a room with people drinking for too long.
Pretty hilarious. The purest definition of a lightweight.

Not going anywhere with this, I just always chuckle when I remember.

 

[Foxi4]

I had a friend get drunk without drinking because she was in a room with people drinking for too long.
Pretty hilarious. The purest definition of a lightweight.

Not going anywhere with this, I just always chuckle when I remember.

It could've been psychosomatic too, like a "contact high". Brains, you be scary

 

[Veho]

Meanwhile my goal is the exact opposite - legalizing a variety of substances currently banned, restricted or illegal and letting people do whatever they want with their lives.

I am in favor of legalizing certain substances and letting people do whatever they want as long as it doesn't negatively impact others. The difference is that you seem to think the only way a substance (or abuse of same) can negatively affect others is by holding them down and shoving it up their ass, which is a very short sighted view.

 

[Foxi4]

I am in favor of legalizing certain substances and letting people do whatever they want as long as it doesn't negatively impact others. The difference is that you seem to think the only way a substance (or abuse of same) can negatively affect others is by holding them down and shoving it up their ass, which is a very short sighted view.

We could meander in the murky territory of "think of the children" or "when daddy drinks mommy cries", but I don't think it's productive. All I'm asking for are designated zones - that's not too much to ask for in my opinion.

 

[Hungry Friend]

I'm not using any recreational stuff atm but I get TERRIBLE hangovers when I drink; must be genetic. I even experienced really nasty ones when I used to drink like a fucking fish when I was 18-22. imo if you're gonna get high, stick to weed. It's infinitely safer than alcohol in every way although I recommend against smoking it or anything else. If you can afford to eat it, do that but if you're on a diet it WILL fuck with you because munchies.

Another little known fact about weed is that it causes the pineal gland to release tons of Melatonin, especially when the high starts to wear off, which is part of the reason you get so sleepy after a good stone wears off.(and you'll generally sleep really well too)

Also, prohibition is fucking retarded and that's an indisputable fact. It's ineffective and as someone who lives in the US, I'm embarrassed that we call ourselves a free country yet we have the highest per-capita prison rate in the world by a long shot. Let people do what they want as long as they're not directly hurting anyone. I can understand the logic behind smoking bans in public but I'm skeptical of second hand smoke death stats.

I also hope all these regulations don't lead to tobacco being illegal even though I think Nicotine is one of the most vile substances on the planet, and I used to smoke a pack+ a day. I don't like this big brother bullshit.