Don't worry - I'll be at the cool pub that allows smoking, you needn't fear me. On a serious note though, if I entered a setting where noone else smokes, I would probably do this little thing called "ask" in order not to inconvenience you. That being said, I don't see why I'd enter any non-smoking setting, so we're talking science fiction here.
Sure - you're not taking away my cigarettes, just my capacity to smoke them at my convenience. Noted.
Please, this is just childish.
Not according to your behavior in this thread.
I am merely taking away your capacity to smoke them at my inconvenience. Feel free to smoke anywhere else.
You seem to misunderstand my intentions - all I'm asking for is to leave such matters to the owner of a given establishment. If Joe wants to open a pub for non-smokers, I'm fine with that - it's his pub, I'll respect his rules and either not smoke or not give him my custom. However, at present, if Mark wants to open a pub for smokers in my location, it cannot be done. Why are smokers ostricized in such fashion? Why were smoking and non smoking areas replaced with "f*ck off outside"? All I'm asking for is respect for each other and a separation of spheres - I don't piss in your corn flakes, why do you have to piss in mine?
Go back a couple of pages, latest research shows no link between second-hand smoke and cancer. The concentration is just not high enough to harm you, you're complaining over a scent you dislike. Other than that, don't frequent pubs for smokers? You as a non-smoker have alternatives, I don't, I'm forced to adjust. Limiting other people's freedom for your convenience isn't okay in my book.
I thought there were workarounds for this regulation? I remember some pubs removing a wall to be classified as "shelters" where smoking is allowed. I was under the impression that it was still possible to smoke in certain bars.
That research says nothing about other smoke-related ailments, though. Current data still claims second-hand smoke is dangerous. http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/effects-of-secondhand-smoke
No workarounds at present, at least in Wales (from what I've seen). The closest thing you get is an open air terrace connected to the building, often with a shoddy roof or no roof at all. Even if there were workarounds like removing a wall, why should I suffer from the elements just because I smoke? Can there really not be an establishment for smokers in place? I respect your right to fresh air, but the way I see it, there should just be pubs for smokers and pubs for non-smokers so that everybody has some place to go *or* pubs should be separated into smoking and non-smoking areas - air conditioning is a thing, we keep forgetting about that. To think that nobody has a problem with smoke machines spewing metric tons of thick smoke in a disco yet a cigarette is a cause for concern is a bit comical to me.
Fair and correct point, but not one that Sickly argued - he talked about "second-hand smoke-induced cancer".
Smoke machines in clubs evaporate a mixture of glycerin and water; glycerin is a mild irritant but still not as toxic as the contents of cigarette smoke.
Apologies. I focused too much on the "the concentration is just not high enough to harm you" part.
As someone who worked at a disco I realize that, it's essentially a huge e-cigarette, minus the nicotine. Lack of knowledge however should not be an excuse - it's still bad for you in large quantities and often times the smoke/vapour is so dense that you can hang a hatchet in it.
No offense taken - I'm well-aware of the risks of smoking and second-hand smoke, I'm informed about them with every packet I buy, always in new and equally unexciting ways.
You can say that about many things. Our constant thirst for the latest technological advancements creates landfills of junk, our insistence on using fossil fuels pollutes the atmosphere and breeds conflict in the middle east, our persistence in believing that diamonds are a girl's best friend leads to turf wars in Africa and our love of luxury goods creates sweat shops in Asia. I prefer the smell of tobbaco over the smell of patchouli, hypocrisy and bullshit. We could all do better in life, but at the end of the day, we should at least attempt living together in an equilibrium where we do our best not to stand in each other's way.
I sense some deeply-rooted contempt, I guess it's true, some people really do have a hard time letting people live their lives however they want.I guess it's true, addicts always try to justify their addictions
