Hacking Gateway 3.1 Ultra Public Beta Has Arrived (EUR, USA, JPN)

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1. Not really? I mean you could just boot up the exploit, then pass of the hacked cartridge off to the next person. Rinse then repeat. OoT is only needed for less than a minute to boot up the exploit, not to maintain it.

2. No wifi required! :yaynds:
Thanks. But we may may need 3 copies to keep the exploit alive if we are in different places. Running an r4 is important to my boys.

Given the prices of OOT right now I am starting to wonder if a sky might be the better purchase. A little more versatile at least at the moment. I have ordered two copies for $60 but all others I can find are $80 or more and at that price it is equivalent to a sky.
 

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Thanks. But we may may need 3 copies to keep the exploit alive if we are in different places.

Given the prices of OOT right now I am starting to wonder if a sky might be the better purchase. A little more versatile at least at the moment. I have ordered two copies for $60 but all others I can find are $80 or more and at that price it is equivalent to a sky.

I'm waiting until someone ports the gateway save to sky before I buy one.

Maybe Gateway will release the cubic ninja exploit before that happens
 

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GW having a cardless exploit is pretty unlikely at this point. You believing in it won't help that. Of course it's much easier to find an exploit if you can use the whole range of software available for the console. Your options are quite limited as long as you stick to the applications that are available on every console from the very beginning. The O3DS had Spider and MSET, which both can't be used on the N3DS (Spider not being part of the firmware anymore and MSET being available only in its patched form). Maybe this Mii Plaza exploit thingy was actually a thing. If it was, it prove to be pretty worthless, since it seems to have broken more than just a few games (many of the good ones, actually). So, they'd need to come up with something totally new which no one thought of yet. And as stated above it needs to be part of the firmware to be convenient. And something like that isn't accomplished within a few weeks, maybe not even months.

Can't agree with you on the point of GW being the savior that doesn't get enough appreciation. Broken promises are involved in this. And GW actually did these promises to sell their card to some customers. Gladly, I bought my GW way before this, enjoying it for quite a time now, and thus I'm not entitled to anything beyond what I was promised when I got mine, but I still can understand those who just bought a GW flashcart for their N3DS, thinking that they could use it without any extra hardware (as stated by GW themselves in an announcement). GW owes these people something for their money. GW are not free-time devs. They are paid for their work. And you have to be a very big scumbag for wanting to quit just because you yourself made the mistake of upsetting the people who fund your life.

Edit: Feel free to tell me about your very situation right now. Do you even have a GW flashcart? And if yes, do you have an N3DS? And if yes, do you have all the requirements to use GW on it?

If either all of your answers are all yes, all no or just no on the last two questions then I couldn't ever take you seriously, because your point of view is based on you not being affected by this at all. "What do I care, so why should someone else care?"



I don't think they are saviors who don't get enough appreciation. They have dropped the ball on release dates and features. The thing is, they said "hey, we are still working on getting this the way we promised but we know you are impatient and while it is taking longer than expected to get it how we promised, here is an example of what we are able to do so far." and people are throwing a tantrum like a child because it isn't finished. No shit it isn't. They never said it was. Everyone is being an entitled child about a product that is still in the development phase. GW does owe people something for buying their card on the premise that it will work as-is in the NN3DS. I am not saying they don't. I am saying that GW released a version that is in-between what they promised and the final result to placate their customers who can take advantage of it while still working on getting the rest fixed. People keep stating that they have no proof that it will work without extra hardware. There also isn't any proof that it won't ever work without extra hardware. You say that GW being a cardless exploit is unlikely. What hard proof do you have to back that up. I am not saying that it is or isn't likely since I see no hard proof either way. People just see the OoT requirement and flip their shit because they are impatient and want it now. They didn't have to release this version and quite frankly I wish they hadn't because it just made people hate them unjustly. If they end up going dark from here, I will agree they are a shit company but until then, I am not making any judgment until I see proof.

And yes, I do have the requirements to use it right now but ignoring anything I have to say because of that is ignorant. Like sticking your fingers in your ears going "LA LA LA IM RIGHT YOU'RE WRONG!". It's childish to not attempt to see both sides. It sucks that those who want to use a GW card on their NN3DS can't because of the requirements. It'd be awesome if it did work. Saying I don't care when you have no idea who I am is asinine. I want to see everyone who wants to use it, use it because I know if I wouldn't be able to, I'd be upset but life goes on.

I am not defending GW in the way you think I am. I am merely saying that a beta is in no way an accurate representation of a final product and most of the people in this thread are acting as such with no hard proof.
 

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GW having a cardless exploit is pretty unlikely at this point. You believing in it won't help that. Of course it's much easier to find an exploit if you can use the whole range of software available for the console. Your options are quite limited as long as you stick to the applications that are available on every console from the very beginning. The O3DS had Spider and MSET, which both can't be used on the N3DS (Spider not being part of the firmware anymore and MSET being available only in its patched form). Maybe this Mii Plaza exploit thingy was actually a thing. If it was, it prove to be pretty worthless, since it seems to have broken more than just a few games (many of the good ones, actually). So, they'd need to come up with something totally new which no one thought of yet. And as stated above it needs to be part of the firmware to be convenient. And something like that isn't accomplished within a few weeks, maybe not even months.

Can't agree with you on the point of GW being the savior that doesn't get enough appreciation. Broken promises are involved in this. And GW actually did these promises to sell their card to some customers. Gladly, I bought my GW way before this, enjoying it for quite a time now, and thus I'm not entitled to anything beyond what I was promised when I got mine, but I still can understand those who just bought a GW flashcart for their N3DS, thinking that they could use it without any extra hardware (as stated by GW themselves in an announcement). GW owes these people something for their money. GW are not free-time devs. They are paid for their work. And you have to be a very big scumbag for wanting to quit just because you yourself made the mistake of upsetting the people who fund your life.

Edit: Feel free to tell me about your very situation right now. Do you even have a GW flashcart? And if yes, do you have an N3DS? And if yes, do you have all the requirements to use GW on it?

If either all of your answers are all yes, all no or just no on the last two questions then I couldn't ever take you seriously, because your point of view is based on you not being affected by this at all. "What do I care, so why should someone else care?"
Yep agreed with most of what you said. If they had a better way they would be using it, after 4 months since the announcement behold they don't have anything better and I highly doubt they will anytime soon.
This is just a way to tick a box a say hey we have support for N3ds! It worked well for them last year I'm sure many people including myself being a gullible idiot and thinking they would have support for N3ds without extra hardware and without such a long wait.
Don't understand the praise people are giving them, they are a business and no one should give loyalty to them. They teased people and lied when the competition was releasing soon to get more purchases, they could leave a pile of shit at their doorstep and people would say "Hey at least it's something," I mean fuck with all the time and now money spent you could have gone to markets or Craigslist and gone legit, bought most of the 3ds games you would want to actually keep.
 

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Ok managed to get my 1.1 Zelda cart to load the save file and am now in the Gatewat Menu screen. What do i need to do next back up system nand, then what? Does EmuNand work correctly yet and does it work on the latest System version, as i want to download Outrun from the eShop??
 

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I fucking sold my OOT a week ago, thinking I'd never need it again, and now this happens. Why couldnt they have released the CN exploit first? I'm fucking bitter as hell. Fuck you Gatewait.
 
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Ok managed to get my 1.1 Zelda cart to load the save file and am now in the Gatewat Menu screen. What do i need to do next back up system nand, then what? Does EmuNand work correctly yet and does it work on the latest System version, as i want to download Outrun from the eShop??

Emunand is working up to current 9.5
 

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lol you are an idiot, blame yourself not them


Yeah, cause I totally knew Gateshits would release an exploit that requires a fucking rare Zelda game thats been selling used for $70+ BEFORE the announcement, and not, you know, a game thats widely known in the scene as an exploitable game for months (and sells for the fraction of the price on ebay). I have the right to blame them, fucktard.
 

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Ok managed to get my 1.1 Zelda cart to load the save file and am now in the Gatewat Menu screen. What do i need to do next back up system nand, then what? Does EmuNand work correctly yet and does it work on the latest System version, as i want to download Outrun from the eShop??

Emunand is working up to current 9.5

Thanks. So after i have backed up the system nand (via Gateway menu) i then need to select the 'Format EmuNAND' option?? After that i can let the system update itself so i can buy games from the eShop?? Or have i missed a step?
 

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I don't think they are saviors who don't get enough appreciation. They have dropped the ball on release dates and features. The thing is, they said "hey, we are still working on getting this the way we promised but we know you are impatient and while it is taking longer than expected to get it how we promised, here is an example of what we are able to do so far." and people are throwing a tantrum like a child because it isn't finished. No shit it isn't. They never said it was. Everyone is being an entitled child about a product that is still in the development phase. GW does owe people something for buying their card on the premise that it will work as-is in the NN3DS. I am not saying they don't. I am saying that GW released a version that is in-between what they promised and the final result to placate their customers who can take advantage of it while still working on getting the rest fixed. People keep stating that they have no proof that it will work without extra hardware. There also isn't any proof that it won't ever work without extra hardware. You say that GW being a cardless exploit is unlikely. What hard proof do you have to back that up. I am not saying that it is or isn't likely since I see no hard proof either way. People just see the OoT requirement and flip their shit because they are impatient and want it now. They didn't have to release this version and quite frankly I wish they hadn't because it just made people hate them unjustly. If they end up going dark from here, I will agree they are a shit company but until then, I am not making any judgment until I see proof.

And yes, I do have the requirements to use it right now but ignoring anything I have to say because of that is ignorant. Like sticking your fingers in your ears going "LA LA LA IM RIGHT YOU'RE WRONG!". It's childish to not attempt to see both sides. It sucks that those who want to use a GW card on their NN3DS can't because of the requirements. It'd be awesome if it did work. Saying I don't care when you have no idea who I am is asinine. I want to see everyone who wants to use it, use it because I know if I wouldn't be able to, I'd be upset but life goes on.

I am not defending GW in the way you think I am. I am merely saying that a beta is in no way an accurate representation of a final product and most of the people in this thread are acting as such with no hard proof.

Of course, we can only speculate, but that's why it is called likeliness. Hard proof in this case is something that would also eliminate the debate at hand, because it would answer the question entirely. All I can give is solid and reasonable proof based on the small pieces of information that GW actually gives us. In fact, some of these pieces of information even support my theory.
I understand that this is not the intended solution. Therefore, I take into account that they must have planned it to work out differently.

We could or could not assume that the video from Nov 2014 was a bluff, showing off a game-based exploit. Might be that it already was the Zelda exploit. We don't know much about the Mii Plaza exploit that came up later, but as I said, if it was the one shown in the video, it might have caused too many problems.
When the video was uploaded, GW could have had some options in mind, maybe assuming that Skater would be vulnerable somehow. Maybe it is, but obviously nobody found a way to make use of it as an entry point yet.

Whatever they had in mind, it didn't turn out as expected:
We have spent months trying to find an alternative method that did not require you to have anything extra for New 3DS similar to our original 3DS solution, but we now realise that we should just have released what we have and improve it iteratively!
This is what they stated themselves on their website. It also implies that they had the OoT exploit working for a while.
Keep in mind that finding a more convenient solution for our New 3DS users will remain a priority task to us.
This supports the theory that they don't have another possible entry point right now. Maybe not even a clue, where they could find one.

But hey, that's just a theory...

I'm aware that there is no reason to believe that there will never be any exploit that works without spending some extra money, but based on what we are given it is also possible that it would require a whole lot of luck to get anything like that anytime soon. Especially, because now that other teams are working on cracking the N3DS wide open, we have yet to see a solution that will not require Cubic Ninja or OoT. Neither has any other reputable dev of the scene confirmed any such method.

I personally could also live with only game-based exploits, but only if there's plenty of them like with the vWii. It would increase the chances of one already owning a game that is required. Maybe at least that might work out in the next few months. Cubic Ninja is planned to be supported and maybe someone manages to exploit a few LEGO games, lol. :D
 

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Thanks. So after i have backed up the system nand (via Gateway menu) i then need to select the 'Format EmuNAND' option?? After that i can let the system update itself so i can buy games from the eShop?? Or have i missed a step?

Yup. Make sure you're in emunand before updating though
 

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