Hardware The financial and sales statistics generation

[matt1tude]

You know every time I visit the site I always visit the Wii U section and I always seem to see a new thread throwing the negativity stick at Nintendo, babbling on about financial and sales statistics. Since when did the business aspect of the gaming world become a gamers interest? I've been a gamer for 20+ years and statistics have never interested or influenced me. I buy the games, play them and enjoy myself doing so.

I own a Wii U and am immensely happy with it. I do my part, I brought a Wii U, I buy retail and eShops games as well as accessories. So Nintendo and it's subsidaries are getting my money and continue to do so for years to come. I couldn't give a monkeys if sales targets are not being met or sales are down or even if they're up. Nintendo is known for being in this position anyway and they always turn things around. So why don't we just shut up and play, return to being gamers rather than acting like we're in the stockmarket.

On a side note I personally can not see why the Wii U gets so much flak. It has enough games out already to keep you occupied for many months. I've already been through Rayman Legends, Zombi U, Darksiders 2, Nintendo Land. Just recently purchased Batman Arkham City and Origins, Black Ops 2 and Injustice: Gods Among Us and I still have a list of games i want and thats without counting the up coming games. My Wii U is consistanly on, either playing some thing or browsing the net, the thngs never off. If your still not happy with your Wii U then I question why you even brought it in the first place.

 

[the_randomizer]

It's the internet, people like hating on Nintendo for many reason, most of which are often unsubstantiated and one-sided. They're either butt-hurt, jealous, or both. Haters gonna hate.

People didn't like the Wii for not being HD, now it's HD and people are still bitching
People didn't like the Wii for not having a good online infrastructure, now they have a better online system, still bitching

People didn't like the Wii for not having an HDD, now you can use any HDD size you want, still bitching

People didn't like the Wii for not being "mature" or hardcore, but a game being rated M doesn't automatically make a game mature.

 

[GameWinner]

I have to prove my that my purchase is better than yours, duh!

 

[the_randomizer]

I have to prove my that my purchase is better than yours, duh!

Well of course!

 

[emigre]

Cos it's funny to poke and laugh at a dying corpse.

 

[matt1tude]

It is one the many curses the internet brings. The reason why I think Miiverse isn't as bad as people say it is, hating and negativity isn't tolerated there.

 

[the_randomizer]

Cos it's funny to poke and laugh at a dying corpse.

Yeah, you should know that from experience

 

[matt1tude]

Cos it's funny to poke and laugh at a dying corpse.

Yeah a dying corpse that has $10 billion in the bank. When they go under the billion dollar mark your comment will become relevant

 

[GameWinner]

Yeah a dying corpse that has $10 billion in the bank. When they go under the billion dollar mark your comment will become relevant

I think he was joking. No need to get defensive.

 

[pwsincd]

See you hit the nail on the head with one comment there : " If your still not happy with your Wii U then I question why you even brought it in the first place."

You will generally find that this sites statasticians arent wiiu/nintendo fans anayways.. Take Foxi and Guild as prime examples as ones who you will inevitably fine in these kinda threads banding around stats and specs ... neither have they played the console nor intend too . Your points are very true .. Gamers play games .. forum trolls find weak points in things and abuse them.. We have all sorts of brands around here ,,, android stuff , nintendo stuff , sony , and have had MS .. All of them had good games i liked to play .. didnt ever cross my mind that i was playing a game not many others own.. I just enjoy playing the games that i wanna play.

 

[emigre]

Yeah a dying corpse that has $10 billion in the bank. When they go under the billion dollar mark your comment will become relevant

I beg you don't cry o;

 

[Foxi4]

Take Foxi and Guild as prime examples as ones who you will inevitably fine in these kinda threads banding around stats and specs ... neither have they played the console nor intend too.

Okay.

I guess the system isn't selling because evil bullies like me and Guild are talking trash about it, not because it's severely lacking in terms of services, doesn't follow industry standards, is lacking in terms of hardware and by proxy suffers from lack of third-party support. It's all about the bullies.

You have to differentiate between "fanboyism" and "pointing out the problems that need to be addressed" - there's a big difference between the two. The Wii U does get a lot of bashing online, but for good, genuine reasons, not imaginary problems. As a Nintendo customer or potential customer, it's sort of your job to complain - complaining leads to progress, gobbling whatever offering you're getting without question leads to Wii U's... OH SNAP, I WENT THERE!

On a side note, I intend to buy a Wii U when it stops being a rip-off and gets some interesting games on-board. Right now its offering isn't exactly what I'd call interesting.

 

[the_randomizer]

Because pointing out the Wii U's flaws at this point in time will somehow make Nintendo listen to peoples' feedback and will cause said flaws to go away?

 

[GameWinner]

Because pointing out the Wii U's flaws will somehow make Nintendo listen to feedback said flaws go away?

I don't know.
When people complained Microsoft removed the DRM from the Xbox One.

 

[Foxi4]

Because pointing out the Wii U's flaws will somehow make Nintendo listen to feedback said flaws go away?

Yes the_randomizer, that's exactly how feedback works.

Internet feedback made Microsoft do a 180 on the XBox One DRM policies, Internet feedback made Sony aware that their customers want MP3 support and DLNA support which they're working on as we speak, but you claim that Internet feedback cannot point out the problems we have with the Wii U to Nintendo? I call bogus.

A smart customer is a customer who doesn't blindly follow his favorite's banner - a smart customer is a customer who knows what he/she wants and is vocal about it.

 

[the_randomizer]

I don't know.
When people complained Microsoft removed the DRM from the Xbox One.

Yes, but that was before it was launched; with the Wii U already out, and even if people do complain. Nintendo can't undo the launch or retroactively fix its flaws.

Yes the_randomizer, that's exactly how feedback works.

Internet feedback made Microsoft do a 180 on the XBox One DRM policies, Internet feedback made Sony aware that their customers want MP3 support and DLNA support which they're working on as we speak, but you claim that Internet feedback cannot point out the problems we have with the Wii U to Nintendo? I call bogus.


A smart customer is a customer who doesn't blindly follow his favorite's banner - a smart customer is a customer who knows what he/she wants and is vocal about it.

But what would it do to the consoles already out? Nothing. The difference is that was said before the Xbox one was released, but the Wii U is already out. Is Nintendo going to just recall the Wii Us and fix them? What of those who already own one? Being vocal about the Wii U now isn't going to do a damn thing about the Wii U. But if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I'm just saying pointing out the Wii U's flaws isn't going to fix the Wii U.

 

[matt1tude]

See you hit the nail on the head with one comment there : " If your still not happy with your Wii U then I question why you even brought it in the first place."

You will generally find that this sites statasticians arent wiiu/nintendo fans anayways.. Take Foxi and Guild as prime examples as ones who you will inevitably fine in these kinda threads banding around stats and specs ... neither have they played the console nor intend too . Your points are very true .. Gamers play games .. forum trolls find weak points in things and abuse them.. We have all sorts of brands around here ,,, android stuff , nintendo stuff , sony , and have had MS .. All of them had good games i liked to play .. didnt ever cross my mind that i was playing a game not many others own.. I just enjoy playing the games that i wanna play.

Exactly. I don't own a Sony or Microsoft console so i have no reason to venture over theirs sections. But it's like the Nintendo section always get people who don't own or even intend to buy a Wii U coming in with the hate. I mean are they bored of their consoles or bored of their section of the site that they have to come over the Nintendo section just to troll.

I beg you don't cry o;

Sorry too late, you bored me to tears

 

[pwsincd]

severely lacking in terms of services, doesn't follow industry standards, is lacking in terms of hardware and by proxy suffers from lack of third-party support.

Services . I bought the WiiU to play games... what other service should it provide... without comparing it to other consoles services ?
Cause following industry standards broke the mould ever.
It suffers in hardware if you want to make games for the console that require more than the consoles power.
3rd Party Support .. not this old chestnut.. how many yrs are we going to bang on about this . In a world where all consoles were equal and all games came on all consoles .. whf would be the point.. they make consoles for their game devs clearly. Im happy with that cuz i can buy other consoles for other things.

Im just a fan of consoles i guess .. not specific ones.

 

[matt1tude]

Okay.

I guess the system isn't selling because evil bullies like me and Guild are talking trash about it, not because it's severely lacking in terms of services, doesn't follow industry standards, is lacking in terms of hardware and by proxy suffers from lack of third-party support. It's all about the bullies.

You have to differentiate between "fanboyism" and "pointing out the problems that need to be addressed" - there's a big difference between the two. The Wii U does get a lot of bashing online, but for good, genuine reasons, not imaginary problems. As a Nintendo customer or potential customer, it's sort of your job to complain - complaining leads to progress, gobbling whatever offering you're getting without question leads to Wii U's... OH SNAP, I WENT THERE!

On a side note, I intend to buy a Wii U when it stops being a rip-off and gets some interesting games on-board. Right now its offering isn't exactly what I'd call interesting.

And I'm sure Nintendo representatives pays close attention to GBATemp and the critism from a handful of people.

 

[Foxi4]

Yes, but that was before it was launched; with the Wii U already out, and even if people do complain. Nintendo can't undo the launch or retroactively fix its flaws.

They're not going to fix the hardware flaws, but they can address them.

• The Wii U has almost no built-in storage and last time I checked, it's 2014 and we're in the age of Digital Distribution. Your average mom and pops doesn't know what an HDD enclosure is or how to set one up - they want a Nintendo-branded accessory that will give them storage. Can Nintendo give them that? So that they know they can pick up a hard drive for their system and it will work Plug and Play? Yes, they can. Both Microsoft and Sony sell their own HDD's, to great effect I might add
• Nintendo Network s*cks donkeys in a variety of areas. Nintendo nailed the Social aspect with MiiVerse, it's working perfectly fine, but the store is appaling. It offers practically no sales, it doesn't support Gifting items (which is something that WAS supported on the Wii) and is generally underwhelming. It needs a revamp. Step the game up, Big N... oh, and while you're at it, fire half of your MiiVerse moderators. Not everything you find "offensive" is in fact "offensive" - if you're hosting a social network, let people socialize in peace instead of dishing out bans and suspensions for minute offenses
• Microsoft has "Games for Gold", Sony has "PlayStation Plus Instant Collection", Nintendo has no equivalent service. I know they're not keen on supporting subscription-based services, but unless they're also not keen on success for their systems, they should come up with an equivalent service
• Start releasing games with Cross-platform content. There's a sea of 3DS owners who would be greatly interested in owning a Wii U if it meant additional content for their favorite games. It's not rocket science, take advantage of the fact that you have two platforms

Here, four problems tackled.

Services . I bought the WiiU to play games... what other service should it provide... without comparing it to other consoles services ?

You're asking me to enumerate what the Wii U is lacking in terms of services without mentioning other services? So... you're asking me to not say anything?

Cause following industry standards broke the mould ever.

The Sega Saturn pushed the highest number of polygons at nominal settings (the N64 could push more, but only when using Turbocode which was banned by Nintendo) but it failed. Why? Because it didn't do triangles - the Saturn used quadrilaterals... like no other device at the time. The N64 fell flat on its face as well - why? Because it used obsolete cartridges when everybody else moved on to discs at that point - they offered more storage and they were cheaper. Industry standards are there for a reason - if you're going to be different just to be awkward, coders will not care about your product unless you give them a reason to care.

It suffers in hardware if you want to make games for the console that require more than the consoles power.

Pretty much - if you don't have enough power, you have to cut down on the original vision, release a half-product.

3rd Party Support .. not this old chestnut.. how many yrs are we going to bang on about this . In a world where all consoles were equal and all games came on all consoles .. whf would be the point.. they make consoles for their game devs clearly. Im happy with that cuz i can buy other consoles for other things.

The lack of third party support was the demise of Nintendo systems before - the Fail64 and the Failcube are a testament to that. Customers want variety, not just games from one particular studio. They want to have a selection of games, not just the handful offered by the console's manufacturer. This isn't 1990-and-late anymore.

Im just a fan of consoles i guess .. not specific ones.

I've got 15 systems on my shelf at the moment including a great deal of Nintendo ones - that doesn't mean that I should be blind in terms of their shortcomings. Every system has something going for it, but it's better to have more qualities than faults.