Pokémon - The Battle Between Legitimacy and Legality

[FAST6191]

There's no such thing as an illegal Pokemon & until they start arresting people for these so called illegal Pokemon which will never happen i'll be laughing.

I am reminded of the possible fake story of the little old lady that was told "Your computer has performed an illegal operation".

If Steam has proven anything, it's that people are more than willing to throw money at the tackiest, most inessential things.

There are more examples but "Beanie babies".

 

[Gahars]

There are more examples but "Beanie babies".

"They're gonna be worth millions, I tell ya, millions!"

It depresses me to know that I'll never invent a stupid fad (Beanie Babies, the pet rock, the Jump To Conclusions mat, etc.) where people throw riches at me for absolutely nothing.

 

[FAST6191]

"They're gonna be worth millions, I tell ya, millions!"

It depresses me to know that I'll never invent a stupid fad (Beanie Babies, the pet rock, the Jump To Conclusions mat, etc.) where people throw riches at me for absolutely nothing.

Though there is something to be said for the idiot savant thing do not be so upset as you can at least cook up good ideas
http://gbatemp.net/threads/games-yo...out-recommendation.351815/page-2#post-4722033

 

[DarkStriker]

Why would this even matter anymore. Pokemon transferred via the pokebank doesn't have a hexagonal mark that shows their from kalos, and pokemon not from kalos isn't allowed in official tournaments(VCG & Rated battles) anyways. Not to mention that most exclusive moves are non breedable moves. Everyone is just gonna transfer their ditto and breed more 5-6 IVs pokemon within 30 min anyways and not really care about hacked/non hacked mons. Hacked mons affect nothing for online battles.

 

[DaniPoo]

What if you are playing an MMORPG like WoW and you have to put a lot of effort and time into earning your gear and gold.
And then alot of people start to hack their characters to have the best gear and highest lvl in a day.
Ofcource it would be unfair to you and everyone else playing the game as it was intended.
Noone could say "it's your fault for not hacking like we do". Nothing can justify that.
Its a litle bit like stealing a high value pokemon TCG collection instead of spending all that time collecting the cards and trading yourself.

There is no excuse for ruining the game for others. if you don't have the time to train and breed your own pokemon then you should try to trade or do what you can with what you have.
If nothing above suits you then play something else please.

 

[Queno138]

I think defining "ruined" is extremely critical in this debate.

What is ruined, exactly?


Just because users use 6IV Ditto to breed, it ruins your game?
(well, it ain't really your game, it's Gamefreak's game)

The peace of mind that users aren't using hacked pokemon?
(isn't an issue, because Kalos marker is required).

That users were using hacked-mons to breed to create actual legit Kalos-mons to battle online?



Frankly, you'll NEVER know what people are doing on the other end of the console,
and you'll NEVER know if they used hacked-mons to breed.

Thing is, does it matter?
Since GF took measure to ensure stuff can't go online,
and it has to be bred or caught in Kalos,
and there's no GEN VI hacking devices right now, IT'S ALL GENERATED LEGIT IN-GAME.

So your win is yours only, and your loss is yours only.

 

[evandixon]

Hacked Pokemon (Legal and Illegal) are cheating. As long as they stay local/only against an opponent that is aware of your hacked Pokemon, that's fine. But as soon as you battle an unsuspecting opponent (random online battle/tournament) then you have an unfair advantage (I personally would be lenient towards minor edits, completely legal and things commonly found in game to save time, but others might not see it that way).

 

[Clydefrosch]

Why would this even matter anymore. Pokemon transferred via the pokebank doesn't have a hexagonal mark that shows their from kalos, and pokemon not from kalos isn't allowed in official tournaments(VCG & Rated battles) anyways. Not to mention that most exclusive moves are non breedable moves. Everyone is just gonna transfer their ditto and breed more 5-6 IVs pokemon within 30 min anyways and not really care about hacked/non hacked mons. Hacked mons affect nothing for online battles.

that is wrong.
you can change a byte in a gen 5 pkm file and when you send that pokemon over to gen 6, it will have the hexagon mark.
while there is lots of stuff being said about that, some claim that those transfered pokemon work like normal in special rules battle (the one that only allows kalos originated pokemon)

right now, that still has to be done in a hex editor. but its only a matter of time until someone updates pokesav/gen to include that kalos option

 

[DaniPoo]

Well generating a nearly perfect team in a matter of minutes using hacked pokemon is very unfair. No matter how you put it, even if you *only* use them to breed you dream team.

 

[Fishaman P]

I had previously been a proponent of legality ("legit hacks"), but now I'm all for legitimacy.
I'm still fine with people using "legit hacks", but the problem is, it's hard to know what's legal.
For example, in Gens 3 and 4, certain PID/IV combos were impossible to get except through breeding.

Also, I want to go to a Nintendo tournament someday. Maybe. I don't want to get flagged as a hacker because my friend just couldn't resist the Pokegen option.
Not that Nintendo can code hack checks for shit.

 

[Sheimi]

The problem is because Pokebank failed its job, you have a new victim to blame!

PokeBank didn't fail at all. I have used PokeBank on my Japanese 3DS. Moves that the Pokemon cannot learn cannot pass. Abilities that are Invalid do not pass. Hacked EV Spreads do not pass. Unreleased Dreamworld abilities do not pass. Please tell me how PokeBank failed to do its job.

 

[Foxi4]

I do like the idea Foxi4 had regarding the Dream World (or whatever the name) for "artificial" Pokemon. Some people just want to see if their team could actually play in a competitive environment against other teams.

Exactly. You could actually check whether your imaginary Pokemon set could compete before wasting hours upon hours training them, that's a huge time saver.

 

[DarkStriker]

that is wrong.
you can change a byte in a gen 5 pkm file and when you send that pokemon over to gen 6, it will have the hexagon mark.
while there is lots of stuff being said about that, some claim that those transfered pokemon work like normal in special rules battle (the one that only allows kalos originated pokemon)

right now, that still has to be done in a hex editor. but its only a matter of time until someone updates pokesav/gen to include that kalos option

Simply breeding that mon with a hacked 6 IV ditto yields the same results. SO NO

 

[gamefan5]

that is wrong.
you can change a byte in a gen 5 pkm file and when you send that pokemon over to gen 6, it will have the hexagon mark.
while there is lots of stuff being said about that, some claim that those transfered pokemon work like normal in special rules battle (the one that only allows kalos originated pokemon)

right now, that still has to be done in a hex editor. but its only a matter of time until someone updates pokesav/gen to include that kalos option

Or... breeding the pokemon u transfered in Kalos gives an offspring WITH the hexagon mark BECAUSE it originated in Kalos. -_-
Never heard of that info at all.

 

[Clydefrosch]

PokeBank didn't fail at all. I have used PokeBank on my Japanese 3DS. Moves that the Pokemon cannot learn cannot pass. Abilities that are Invalid do not pass. Hacked EV Spreads do not pass. Unreleased Dreamworld abilities do not pass. Please tell me how PokeBank failed to do its job.

unreleased dreamworld abilities make it through the bank.
theres a number of unreleased starters with their HA being traded around, like contrary snivy and thick fat tepig
in addition to that, shiny legendaries with perfect ivs as well as every other perfect iv'd pokemon (which is possible to get this gen, but was so impropable last gen that they should've been marked as hacked just cause its so unlikely. you'd win the lottery 5 times in a row before you get a shiny perfect legendary without hacking/rnging)
things that generally, are clearly the result of hacking, such as L1 latioses, or mewtwos, make it through too.
I'd bet my behind that impossible move combinations like seismic toss/wish blisseys make it through fine too.
probably pokemon in the event only cherrish balls too, or event legendaries with nicknames that shouldn't be able to get nicknames.

we all know that perfect pokemon would have to make it through the bank, that a cloned event pokemon would have to make it, but if all they check is ability and attacks, then the hack check failed.

Simply breeding that mon with a hacked 6 IV ditto yields the same results. SO NO

I dont think you understand what I'm saying. I'm saying that hackers actually can create pokemon in gen 5 that are, for all intends and purposes, able to make it through the bank and directly into rated special battles/tounaments. that means people can use, for example, perfect pokemon with move tutor moves. giving them yet another advantage besides time and minimized confusion damage on special attackers.

 

[Queno138]

PokeBank didn't fail at all. I have used PokeBank on my Japanese 3DS. Moves that the Pokemon cannot learn cannot pass. Abilities that are Invalid do not pass. Hacked EV Spreads do not pass. Unreleased Dreamworld abilities do not pass. Please tell me how PokeBank failed to do its job.

Ignoring the off chance that Pokebank servers had a slight update,
and that my statement was made back at the point lv.1 Gengars and unreleased abilities and Pokemon with wrong ribbons got through.

It's good to hear the Pokebank manages to block something.

My point is that it didn't set out to do what it claimed it would do.

 

[DarkStriker]

unreleased dreamworld abilities make it through the bank.
theres a number of unreleased starters with their HA being traded around, like contrary snivy and thick fat tepig
in addition to that, shiny legendaries with perfect ivs as well as every other perfect iv'd pokemon (which is possible to get this gen, but was so impropable last gen that they should've been marked as hacked just cause its so unlikely. you'd win the lottery 5 times in a row before you get a shiny perfect legendary without hacking/rnging)
things that generally, are clearly the result of hacking, such as L1 latioses, or mewtwos, make it through too.
I'd bet my behind that impossible move combinations like seismic toss/wish blisseys make it through fine too.
probably pokemon in the event only cherrish balls too, or event legendaries with nicknames that shouldn't be able to get nicknames.

we all know that perfect pokemon would have to make it through the bank, that a cloned event pokemon would have to make it, but if all they check is ability and attacks, then the hack check failed.



I dont think you understand what I'm saying. I'm saying that hackers actually can create pokemon in gen 5 that are, for all intends and purposes, able to make it through the bank and directly into rated special battles/tounaments. that means people can use, for example, perfect pokemon with move tutor moves. giving them yet another advantage besides time and minimized confusion damage on special attackers.

You dont seem to get it. Those rated battles has a move/ability checker . You can for all i care transfer a snivy with his HA, but he wont be able to enter online battles. The same is for moves. Until proven otherwise, my statement is true.

 

[Clydefrosch]

You dont seem to get it. Those rated battles has a move/ability checker . You can for all i care transfer a snivy with his HA, but he wont be able to enter online battles. The same is for moves. Until proven otherwise, my statement is true.

Yes I know that Hidden Abilities that arent released dont make it to online battles. My point is they shouldn't have made it through the bank in the first place.

But online battles only stop so much. You cant have a gardevoir with mewtwos psistrike online because its a move it cant have. but they can have a gen 5 gardevoir with the tutor move hyper voice AND the kalos hexagon to use in rated and special battles.
They should not be able to have that, because hyper voice is a tutor move that doesnt get passed when they breed it for the kalos hexagon (a step they wont need to do now, that you can edit the pokemon in gen 5 to arrive in gen 6 with the mark already present)

 

[Sheimi]

Unless someone tells me how to transfer Pokemon with it's HA. Then I will claim for now that it's not possible.

 

[Clydefrosch]

Unless someone tells me how to transfer Pokemon with it's HA. Then I will claim for now that it's not possible.

http://imgur.com/t5gtT36

compare ability to japanese name of thick fat. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Thick_Fat_(Ability)

its a hacked shiny thick fat tepig someone brought over back on christmas day

you transfer them like any other pokemon i'd guess

here it is transfered to an english game
http://i.imgur.com/4tz2Zbl.jpg