Hacking Gateway 3DS and later game releases?

[Thirty3Three]

I'm not very tech-savvy, so I'd just wanted to ask this to those who know a bit more about this stuff.

Well, let's say a game such as Smash Brothers: 3DS requires you to update to a later update (Let's call it, 7.X).

We know that Gateway only supports 4.5 at the moment, but how is this going to work? Do you think, since we have the kernel access, we'll be able to find a way to play the later games (which require a higher firmware), on 4.5/Gateway?

I'm just a tad cautious of spending about spending eighty dollars on this nice piece of tech, which would only allow me to play early games, released prior to the beginning of this year.


So do you think there will be a way to play later games on GateWay?
Thanks!!

 

[Devin]

No one can tell at this point, and all released/dumped games work to this point. Not just the beginning of this year.

 

[Thirty3Three]

No one can tell at this point, and all released/dumped games work to this point. Not just the beginning of this year.

Oh! Well I appreciate the reply! I've heard games with 5.x are already shipping out. I'm wondering how this will go down. I guess, deep-down, I'm just trying to find a way to make my purchase of this cart seem more appropriate.

It has kernel access, so I'm sure they'll find away around the forced firmware issue(s). Thanks again for the reply!

 

[Thorhian]

If a game doesn't require specific features in a new update, couldn't someone use rom_tools and remove the update, or am I totally missing something?

 

[Rydian]

If a game doesn't require specific features in a new update, couldn't someone use rom_tools and remove the update, or am I totally missing something?

Some basic text info about the required update is listed, but it turns out that's not what the 3DS uses. It uses data in the main encrypted part, which we can't touch (it's encrypted, and even if we forced a change that'd invalidate the sigs).

 

[Thorhian]

Some basic text info about the required update is listed, but it turns out that's not what the 3DS uses. It uses data in the main encrypted part, which we can't touch (it's encrypted, and even if we forced a change that'd invalidate the sigs).

Okay, so encryptions are still in our way.

 

[tHciNc]

Are games shipping with 5.X yet ?? I know Animal Crossing Bundle 3DS XL comes with 5.XX preloaded but even the newest roms including animal crossing, myst etc still 4.5, So you are pretty much guaranteed that all 273 roms out so far will work, I download pretty much all the euro releases as they come (Especially handy being on a CONTRAST HQ) minus the severe shovelware, and got 95 games to date, which should be around the same for US releases too, so basically 100 games for $80 isnt bad

 

[Thirty3Three]

I'm hoping they'll do something about future games. I don't want to drop 80 dollars for games I've already played.


EDIT:

Just asked the same question, (Sent to their email).

They gave me a pretty idiotic reply:

"Obviously, we will only know once they come."

That's nice.

 

[Amber Lamps]

Believe it or not, there still exist those whom crack video games. Such people are not dead and there are always new crackers in the wake. Back in the day (and most likely still true today), crackers are working on things but behind the scenes so they aren't very well known but they do exist. It all depends on how interested in the project they are the time frame depends on how difficult the software is to crack.

Nintendo is not going to take very long to require updates to the console to play forthcoming games and possibly a few titles will get updated as well. These are tactics seen in the past by Nintendo but at least this time around they are far ahead in the game.

 

[Pong20302000]

Number: XXX
Name: Mario & Luigi: Dream Team Bros
Publisher: Nintendo
Game ID : CTR-AYMP
Region : EUR
Firmware: 5.1.0

 

[Thirty3Three]

Number: XXX
Name: Mario & Luigi: Dream Team Bros
Publisher: Nintendo
Game ID : CTR-AYMP
Region : EUR
Firmware: 5.1.0

This game isn't out yet, is it? It'd be great to give a try.

 

[Pong20302000]

This game isn't out yet, is it? It'd be great to give a try.

gateway doesnt make your console region free

but its Frimware 5.1.0 which was what i was showing

 

[Devin]

Rom dump's out for that already? Mind posting the scene name? (Don't see it on your site either.)

 

[Pong20302000]

Rom dump's out for that already? Mind posting the scene name? (Don't see it on your site either.)

no scene dump available of that one

 

[Chocolina]

If 3DS carts come with firmware updates and checks, its not outside the realm of possibility that dumped carts could be hacked into having their firmware removed as well as the firmware checks, or maybe install a hacked version of firmware that would allow installing older versions of firmware.

I think I recall reading something about the 3DS not having any protection against forced downgrades.

 

[Devin]

no scene dump available of that one

Can I get a source? Only thing I could find was that GameFaqs posted the game ID.

 

[Ericthegreat]

Believe it or not, there still exist those whom crack video games. Such people are not dead and there are always new crackers in the wake. Back in the day (and most likely still true today), crackers are working on things but behind the scenes so they aren't very well known but they do exist. It all depends on how interested in the project they are the time frame depends on how difficult the software is to crack.

Nintendo is not going to take very long to require updates to the console to play forthcoming games and possibly a few titles will get updated as well. These are tactics seen in the past by Nintendo but at least this time around they are far ahead in the game.

Yes they can take out the update partition, but eventually some games will need files from the update (like ios on the wii).

 

[Rydian]

Believe it or not, there still exist those whom crack video games. Such people are not dead and there are always new crackers in the wake. Back in the day (and most likely still true today), crackers are working on things but behind the scenes so they aren't very well known but they do exist. It all depends on how interested in the project they are the time frame depends on how difficult the software is to crack.

Nintendo is not going to take very long to require updates to the console to play forthcoming games and possibly a few titles will get updated as well. These are tactics seen in the past by Nintendo but at least this time around they are far ahead in the game.

The problem is if you modify the ROM, the 3DS won't run it.

This is quite unlike the PC situation where there's no enforced signature/validation checks before running, and it's only recently that consoles started doing it (PS3/360), but once a device is hacked you can disable the checks.

But that hasn't been done for the 3DS yet.

If 3DS carts come with firmware updates and checks, its not outside the realm of possibility that dumped carts could be hacked into having their firmware removed as well as the firmware checks, or maybe install a hacked version of firmware that would allow installing older versions of firmware.

The update info that's used by the 3DS is in the encrypted/signed portion, so until the 3DS is hacked to have the sig checks removed (a proper softmod)...

I think I recall reading something about the 3DS not having any protection against forced downgrades.

As long as you're doing a downgrade to a firmware that was dumped on that exact specific 3DS earlier. So if you get a 3DS that came with 5.x, you can't do anything.

 

[Roman.Sol]

No Pokemon for Gateway buyers...

Either buy another 3DS or either make the Gateway completely useless. I will watch and enjoy to see the hard choices.

 

[Devin]

Or, or. The chance the GW3DS team updates it to work with the latest firmware.