Supreme Court Strikes Down Key DOMA Provisions

[Haloman800]

It affects straight people in no way

This has already been refuted. This does not prove that the definition should be changed. We are not obliged to change definitions based on the assertion that the majority won't be affected.

 

[Haloman800]

I think freedom from oppression is a human right.

Great. Do you think gay marriage is a human right?

 

[Lestworth]

"Case in point". The phrase is "case in point".

If you're going to try to dodge around someone's argument, at least use the right idioms.

It was kind of the point, of all the people on these thread, you of all people should of picked up on that one.

 

[Sicklyboy]

Great. Do you think gay marriage is a human right?

Do you think being forcibly denied it is oppression?

 

[Haloman800]

Do you think being forcibly denied it is oppression?

Forcibly denying a pedophile the right to molest a children? Nope. Want to answer my question now?

 

[Lestworth]

By and large if you post an opinion on a public forum and put it forth as a righteous one you can expect to be called on it.

Likewise if you can not or will not defend it then people are generally free to dismiss it and you until such a time as you do.

This is a very stupid reason. In general if you attempt to argue your opinions to a brick wall, you will only be yelling at yourself. Like wise for the opposite party. If you can not accept someones opinion, then maybe it is you who needs to open up their eyes. I saw no benefit arguing with someone such as that person, it was clear what that guy was attempting to provoke, and im ashamed to see people even back it up. Its just as bad for you to even claim my post had any righteous attitude. It seems you are attempting to provoke emotion into a subject that revolves souly around personal opinion. That road is a very slippery path that i have been down an obscene amount of times, i decided to not do it again, i saw no point.

This thread is nothing but a hot mess of people attacking each others opinions on the subject. A hot mess i refuse to be apart of.

 

[UltraHurricane]

Do you think gay marriage is a human right?

yes, why isn't it? whats so goddamn scary about allowing it to be so? please elaborate

 

[Haloman800]

yes, why isn't it? whats so goddamn scary about allowing it to be so? please elaborate

Polygamy is not a human right. Neither is gay marriage.

 

[Sicklyboy]

Forcibly denying a pedophile the right to molest a children? Nope. Want to answer my question now?

Sure.

Yes, I think it's a human right.

Why? Gays are being unnecessarily oppressed, because gay marriage has no adverse effect on anybody who is not involved in that marriage, save for someone not being able to pull their heads out of their asses because of how high up there they're shoved.

Forcibly denying a pedophile the right to "molest a children"? How do you plan to forcibly stop a pedophile from molesting a child? Most of the "stopping" happens after the crime has been committed. If you get the pretty little idea in your head that you just hate the way your neighbors cut their lawn and weed their garden, perhaps it's not very thorough, or perhaps it's even nicer than yours and you just can't get over that fact, there is nothing in the world, as long as you have kept the thought to yourself, that is going to forcibly stop you from loading a few rounds into a shotgun, kicking down their door in the middle of the night, and loading them with a few shells worth of buckshot. I can't say I know any personally, but I would highly imagine that most pedophiles do not run around in broad daylight, telling family, friend, and neighbor alike "Hey, guess what! See that little toddler over there? I'm gonna kidnap her and do unspeakable things to that." The police would be there faster than you can think, and I would imagine a large amount of vigilante-ism would come into play as well. The only thing forcibly stopping you, or anyone, from committing a crime between conception and execution is yourself, and yourself only.

 

[Lacius]

Do you think gay marriage is a human right?

That all depends on how you define "human right." Do you consider heterosexual marriage a human right? If so, then so is gay marriage. If not, then neither is gay marriage. If you're going to say one is and one isn't, then I'd like to hear your definition of "human right." I think freedom from second-class citizenship status can arguably be considered a human right.

I'd also like clarification on if we're making a distinction between lawful marriage and pursuit of happiness with regard to romantic relationships, or if you're conflating the two. If you're conflating the two, then yes, gay marriage is a human right.

This has already been refuted. This does not prove that the definition should be changed. We are not obliged to change definitions based on the assertion that the majority won't be affected.

I've already explained how you have how we decide what's legal/illegal backwards.

Forcibly denying a pedophile the right to molest a children? Nope. Want to answer my question now?

I'm not sure how pedophilia is relevant; it had nothing to do with your question or the provided answer. Regardless, molestation is not a human right; freedom from molestation is.

 

[UltraHurricane]

Polygamy is not a human right. Neither is gay marriage.

it's... nice that you show concern about polygamy, but what does that have to do with gay marriage again?

 

[Law]

You can put a sign on a cow that says horse but that doesn't change the fact that it's still a cow. So called gay marriage isn't the same and it isn't equal. The purpose of marriage for the past 20,000 years has been the perpetuation of the race. Period. On the bright side states still have the right to define marriage and 38 have defined that between a man and a woman

Isn't marriage a religious (and mostly christian ruled) thing? 20,000 years seems like a stretch. 1800 years tops.

You can bang and have kids and continue the human race without being married. Marriage doesn't really have anything to do with banging or having kids, I knew lots of kids whose parents weren't married but had formed common-law or civil partnerships. Marriage has absolutely nothing to do with it.

I don't think Cavemen were busy exchanging vows, pretty sure the neanderthals were taking homo sapien females by brute force and just banging them until they birthed offspring.

People marry for money, people marry for power, and people marry for love. It isn't often people marry just so they can bang and have kids.

But hey, I'm probably wrong. After all, the bible has existed since the dawn of time, written by God. I bet even the fish, insects, amphibians, and dinosaurs were getting married before banging and laying eggs.

 

[Haloman800]

Sure.

Yes, I think it's a human right.

Why? Gays are being unnecessarily oppressed, because gay marriage has no adverse effect on anybody who is not involved in that marriage, save for someone not being able to pull their heads out of their asses because of how high up there they're shoved.

Forcibly denying a pedophile the right to "molest a children"? How do you plan to forcibly stop a pedophile from molesting a child? Most of the "stopping" happens after the crime has been committed. If you get the pretty little idea in your head that you just hate the way your neighbors cut their lawn and weed their garden, perhaps it's not very thorough, or perhaps it's even nicer than yours and you just can't get over that fact, there is nothing in the world, as long as you have kept the thought to yourself, that is going to forcibly stop you from loading a few rounds into a shotgun, kicking down their door in the middle of the night, and loading them with a few shells worth of buckshot. I can't say I know any personally, but I would highly imagine that most pedophiles do not run around in broad daylight, telling family, friend, and neighbor alike "Hey, guess what! See that little toddler over there? I'm gonna kidnap her and do unspeakable things to that." The police would be there faster than you can think, and I would imagine a large amount of vigilante-ism would come into play as well. The only thing forcibly stopping you, or anyone, from committing a crime between conception and execution is yourself, and yourself only.

So you advocate polygamous marriage?

 

[Haloman800]

it's... nice that you show concern about polygamy, but what does that have to do with gay marriage again?

Who are you to say what 3 consenting adults can or can't do? Or 5, or 12?

 

[UltraHurricane]

Who are you to say what 3 consenting adults can or can't do? Or 5, or 12?

again it's very noble that you show such deep concerns about polygamy, but could be a good sport and stay on topic? i appreciate that, thanks

 

[Sicklyboy]

So you advocate polygamous marriage?

Where the fuck does polygamous marriage come into play with what I said?

If you want my actual opinion on that, though, no, I do not advocate it. However, like homosexual relations, that is not my lifestyle, and is not how I do/have chosen to/feel comfortable/have been raised to lead my life in the society I reside in, and as such, I won't actively do anything to hinder the progress of those trying to achieve it, nor talk down to those who follow that lifestyle.

Shit just ain't my cup of tea, plain and simple.

(One girlfriend is more than enough at one time for me, and I'm not the kind of guy to be rollin with other dudes like that, which is what my opinion is based off of.) In other words, I am decidedly indifferent.

 

[Haloman800]

again it's very noble that you show such deep concerns about polygamy, but could be a good sport and stay on topic? i appreciate that, thanks

Where the fuck does polygamous marriage come into play with what I said?

If you want my actual opinion on that, though, no, I do not advocate it. However, like homosexual relations, that is not my lifestyle, and is not how I do/have chosen to/feel comfortable/have been raised to lead my life in the society I reside in, and as such, I won't actively do anything to hinder the progress of those trying to achieve it, nor talk down to those who follow that lifestyle.


Shit just ain't my cup of tea, plain and simple.

No one calls you bigoted/discriminatory/shallow for opposing polygamy and drawing the line at gay marriage. Why do these labels apply to those who draw the line at straight marriage? How could we deny alternative marriages to one group and not to another?

 

[Lestworth]

again it's very noble that you show such deep concerns about polygamy, but could be a good sport and stay on topic? i appreciate that, thanks

Just like the other 80% of the examples used in this topic .... o wait

 

[Law]

If you're going to do polygamy, what's the point of getting married? I mean let's assume you have a harem of 12 women and you spend all day banging them, when are you going to have time for all of the wedding ceremonies?

And if you married them all on different days you would have a dozen anniversary dates to remember and it would just be a hassle.

 

[Haloman800]

If you're going to do polygamy, what's the point of getting married? I mean let's assume you have a harem of 12 women and you spend all day banging them, when are you going to have time for all of the wedding ceremonies?

And if you married them all on different days you would have a dozen anniversary dates to remember and it would just be a hassle.

What's the point of gay marriage? I mean let's assume you have a boyfriend and you spend all day banging him, who has time to get married? You'd have to remember your anniversary and everything, it would just be a hassle.