Has the Nintendo 3DS been hacked?

[pwsincd]

Ok, sorry !
With 153.69 million sold it's not too shabby either, and it's still selling you know....

The point is , for such a platform which might be arguably considered the " easiest to heck of all times " ( you just need a $5 flashcart ), it sold mighty fine, totally trashing every possible arguments about piracy killing devices sales or developers support.

Wouldnt this be more relative if it was game sales you quoted and not device sales as the device is actually required in the first instance to facilitate piracy

 

[tysonrss]

Wouldnt this be more relative if it was game sales you quoted and not device sales as the device is actually required in the first instance to facilitate piracy

I agree with this. There are still PSP sales in fact it outclassed Vita sales during it's third week in Japan. PSP games however, because of piracy, didn't sell to well. And I should know, I was a PSP pirate fanatic, but I still did buy the games I did like that I downloaded to support the developers as I can tell what games are worked hard on, like Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep. I definitely felt like I had to supprt the creators for that gem because its one of the few masterpieces that the PSP had to offer.

I don't mind piracy, so long as people support the devs by later purchasing the game.

 

[SifJar]

Regardless, someone will find a way, whether if its this exploit or not. In addition to that, someone will find a way to downgrade the system and exploit the first few firmwares.

Piracy is inevitable.

Yup, pirates have been making huge strides so far.[/sarcasm]

 

[tysonrss]

Yup, pirates have been making huge strides so far.[/sarcasm]

Actually they have, if you take a look at the PSP, which is a hub for many pirates, than skid on later down the road to the jailbroken PS3 and 360. And even the DS. So yes, absolutely.

Pirates have indeed been making huge strides Your sarcasm is null and void.

 

[SifJar]

Actually they have, if you take a look at the PSP, which is a hub for many pirates, than skid on later down the road to the jailbroken PS3 and 360. And even the DS. So yes, absolutely.

Pirates have indeed been making huge strides Your sarcasm is null and void.

Are you actually that stupid? I was clearly referring to on the 3DS, where zero progress has been made by pirates (and no, pirating DS games with a DS mode flashcard does not count).

 

[pwsincd]

I cannot beleive the naivety this "first steps" discovery has thrown up by people expecting to play 3DS roms , FFS people take time to read the thread fully , understand that these things take time , and to openly say you want to play 3DS roms is retarded . I personally am looking forward to the day that the more talented coders amongst us can get their teeth into creating 3DS homebrew , as the system has so much potential for this , rather than blindly wanting to have flashcarts full of roms ... patience is a virtue .

 

[chavosaur]

Are you actually that stupid? I was clearly referring to on the 3DS, where zero progress has been made by pirates (and no, pirating DS games with a DS mode flashcard does not count).

But you didn't specify that at all in your post. You just said Pirates. That can apply to any pirates. So no need to be so mean, he didn't know what you meant.

 

[tysonrss]

Are you actually that stupid? I was clearly referring to on the 3DS, where zero progress has been made by pirates (and no, pirating DS games with a DS mode flashcard does not count).

You should have made that clear mate. I was obviously referring to Pirates in general.

So you must be the stupid one here.

 

[pwsincd]

It wasnt in any way obvious , as your posting in a 3DS thread discussing well erm 3DS hacking , and now you say your being generic . Smells of backtracking..

 

[tysonrss]

It wasnt in any way obvious , as your posting in a 3DS thread discussing well erm 3DS hacking , and now you say your being generic . Smells of backtracking..

Given the nature of that post, I'd pretty much say that I was referring to pirates in general, hence the reason why it was not included alongside the statement I made about the 3DS and its firmware

 

[SifJar]

But you didn't specify that at all in your post. You just said Pirates. That can apply to any pirates. So no need to be so mean, he didn't know what you meant.

You should have made that clear mate. I was obviously referring to Pirates in general.

So you must be the stupid one here.

Why don't I just quote the original post here:

Regardless, someone will find a way, whether if its this exploit or not. In addition to that, someone will find a way to downgrade the system and exploit the first few firmwares.

Piracy is inevitable.

This post (to which mine was obviously a response, hence I quoted it), is very clearly referring to the 3DS. It mentions this exploit, and explicitly states that piracy will happen either by this exploit or another one, very obviously talking about piracy on the 3DS. The last 3 words could maybe be seen as generic, but that's not what I was responding to. (Maybe I should have removed that line, but I couldn't be bothered with that).

And no, I'm not the stupid one here.

 

[pwsincd]

Ok then generically speaking , hacking is great ... some fine people have made some amazing steps in allowing homebrew on our consoles , i posted this here as i couldnt find a generic sub-forum.

 

[tysonrss]

Why don't I just quote the original post here:



This post (to which mine was obviously a response, hence I quoted it), is very clearly referring to the 3DS. It mentions this exploit, and explicitly states that piracy will happen either by this exploit or another one, very obviously talking about piracy on the 3DS. The last 3 words could maybe be seen as generic, but that's not what I was responding to. (Maybe I should have removed that line, but I couldn't be bothered with that).

And no, I'm not the stupid one here.

Then its more of a "take it the way you want it" though if you were more clear then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

In regards to pirates and the 3DS, it's bound to happen more later than sooner. That is of course, once someone gets off their proverbial high horse and cater to the pirates, in which again, someone will eventually. Hacking the 3DS has just now become a reality, so once more info is released, pirates will get their hands dirty.

 

[ouch123]

Speaking of inevitabilities, I guess it wasn't possible for us to discuss this without someone eventually bringing up piracy, eh?

 

[SifJar]

Then its more of a "take it the way you want it" though if you were more clear then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

In regards to pirates and the 3DS, it's bound to happen more later than sooner. That is of course, once someone gets off their proverbial high horse and cater to the pirates, in which again, someone will eventually. Hacking the 3DS has just now become a reality, so once more info is released, pirates will get their hands dirty.

If I'd been more clear? You're the one who was apparently talking about piracy "in general" in a 3DS specific thread.

And as for the nonsense about "proverbial high horse" and all that; having morals isn't being on a high horse. You'll find that the people interested in piracy lack the capability to actually hack the system. Almost every truly skilled hacker working on the 3DS is against piracy. [Probably various reasons for this; in many cases their jobs will involve programming, so they appreciate the work that goes into it. Anyway, the reasons are irrelevant.] I wouldn't count on getting your precious 3DS ROMs any time too soon.

Anyway, I've had enough of responding to your trolling for now. (Also, very mature PM. Well done. You have really made me respect you hugely)

 

[tysonrss]

If I'd been more clear? You're the one who was apparently talking about piracy "in general" in a 3DS specific thread.

And as for the nonsense about "proverbial high horse" and all that; having morals isn't being on a high horse. You'll find that the people interested in piracy lack the capability to actually hack the system. Almost every truly skilled hacker working on the 3DS is against piracy. [Probably various reasons for this; in many cases their jobs will involve programming, so they appreciate the work that goes into it. Anyway, the reasons are irrelevant.] I wouldn't count on getting your precious 3DS ROMs any time too soon.

Anyway, I've had enough of responding to your trolling for now.

I'm trolling? Last i checked, you were the one replying with an obnoxious attitude.

Get that dick out of your ass and enjoy life a little. Being all angry and taking it out online with someone you don't know isn't going to make your life any easier.

Respond, I know you will. As for me, I'm done with replying to your moronic posts.

 

[Maxternal]

 

[pwsincd]

And so it ends like all other thread wars , some one resorts to insults . It has been coming , with the stupidty accusation and now this , a slow round of applause from me to tysonrss for being so predictably snake belly low. And before you repost , remember your "done with replying to your moronic posts."

Enjoy your wait . <image>Jean Luc Picard facepalm</image>

 

[tysonrss]

Speaking of inevitabilities, I guess it wasn't possible for us to discuss this without someone eventually bringing up piracy, eh?

But of course. When talking about any form of hacking or exploit, piracy talk will always come up sooner or later.

 

[Foxi4]

The truth is actually somewhere in-between, whether SifJar and tysonrss agree with that or not.

Homebrew is a wonderful goal - if you own a device, you own every right to program for it, but that's not always the case. Homebrew programming is always the brainchild of dedicated programmers and hackers who wish to allow everyone to program for the platform they love, and that's good.

Piracy on the other hand is a less-than-inspired goal - it's merely something that's supposed to allow you to play games you'd normally have to buy but can't or won't, for whatever reason. It's wrong, fair play, but so is copying music, and yet we all know how strongly listening to various types of music shapes our personality and improves us in a lot of ways as we mature. In my opinion, games are the same.

...but I digress, I'm not typing this post to discuss pro's and con's of piracy, I'm here to explain the mechanism of devices becoming backup-ready. Now, some group of hackers creates a hack that allows for usermode access - you can only program homebrew and nothing else, and that's great. Another group, even if for the sake of just looking good on the scene extends this hack further, elevates it to kernel access. Why? To modify the system, to add new functionality, to enhance the device - it's still okay though, you're only programming homebrew. Finally, someone uses this kernel mode for game loading. Why? Because at this point, they can.

Can we BLAME the groups for hacking the device in the first place? No, of course not - that was not their intention. Did their actions lead towards piracy? In a lot of ways they did, but those are indirect consequences that the creators of exploits are in no way responsible for.

That about wraps it up, I think.