UK Court rules TVShack's student founder can be extradited to US

xist

ΚΑΤΑ ΤΟΝ ΔΑΙΜΟΝΑ ΕΑΥΤΟΥ
OP
Member
Joined
Jul 14, 2008
Messages
5,859
Trophies
0
XP
984
Country
US customs agents seek to prosecute Richard O'Dwyer over TVShack, which linked to sites carrying pirated shows and films

A British student can be extradited to the United States for running a website linking to sites carrying pirated TV shows and films, a court has ruled.
Richard O'Dwyer, a 23-year-old student at Sheffield Hallam University, looked downward as district judge Quentin Purdy ruled that there were no valid reasons why he could not be sent to New York state for trial.

US customs agents are seeking his prosecution over a website O'Dwyer set up when he was 19 called TVShack, and ran until his arrest last year. This provided links to other sites hosting pirated versions of TV shows and film. It was so popular that the student earned £15,000 per month in advertising revenue, US prosecutors claim.

O'Dwyer's lawyers said the site was little different from a search engine like Google and was thus most likely not illegal under UK law.
However, Purdy noted that visitors to the site had to register, and could post their own links. He ruled that the case met the test of so-called dual liability, also dismissing arguments that extradition would be a breach of O'Dwyer's human rights.

The student, whose father, Peter, is a retired GP in Bolsover, Derbyshire, remains on bail and will appeal. His mother, Julia, wept outside Westminster magistrates court following the decision and condemned the controversial 2003 extradition treaty between the UK and US as unbalanced.

"Look at how many people we send over there, and how few come here," she said. "If they can come for Richard they can come for anyone." O'Dwyer's family and other supporters say his case is similar to that of Gary McKinnon, the computer hacker who has spent years fighting US extradition.

They argue that any alleged offence should be tried in the UK. A parliamentary measure to include a "forum clause" in the extradition treaty, allowing a judge to examine where a case should best be heard, has been passed by both houses but not yet enacted.
The government needed to act, said Julia O'Dwyer. "David Cameron and Nick Clegg came into office saying they would fix this law," she said. "They need to pull their fingers out."

Separately, the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency has faced criticism for perceived over-reach, targeting websites which, like TVShack – which had servers in the Netherlands – have no direct link to America.
In July the agency's assistant deputy director told the Guardian that ICE would now actively pursue websites similar to TVShack even if their only connection to the US was a website address ending in .com or .net. Such suffixes are routed through Verisign, an internet infrastructure company based in Virginia, which the agency believes is sufficient to seek a US prosecution.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2012/jan/13/tvshack-student-founder-extradition?newsfeed=true

Or how to be a toothless British government....looks like this guy will probably get hit with a sledgehammer sentence purely because it'll pave the way for further takedowns.
 

xist

ΚΑΤΑ ΤΟΝ ΔΑΙΜΟΝΑ ΕΑΥΤΟΥ
OP
Member
Joined
Jul 14, 2008
Messages
5,859
Trophies
0
XP
984
Country
If GBAtemp linked to illegal materials, then yes, Costello could theoretically get extradited if the story unfolds as it seems it will. Whilst this site doesn't link to things which are illegal, certain people may believe it actually does.
 

prowler

Sony
Member
Joined
Jul 14, 2009
Messages
9,475
Trophies
2
Location
Ragol
XP
3,294
Country
Zimbabwe
So almost every site on the internet is now linked to the US?
So gbatemp is as well huh.
Quoting the article because people don't read
In July the agency's assistant deputy director told the Guardian that ICE would now actively pursue websites similar to TVShack even if their only connection to the US was a website address ending in .com or .net. Such suffixes are routed through Verisign, an internet infrastructure company based in Virginia, which the agency believes is sufficient to seek a US prosecution.
Get moving GBAtemp!
 

Jamstruth

Secondary Feline Anthropomorph
Member
Joined
Apr 23, 2009
Messages
3,462
Trophies
0
Age
31
Location
North East Scotland
XP
710
Country
This guy has no defence for his copyright problems in my opinion. The entire site was dedicated to serving copyrighted materials for free even if he never hosted the material himself.
That said I think he should have been tried in the UK by the UK arms of these companies NOT extradited to the US. The offence was made by our citizen and based here. Here is where they should be tried.
 

xist

ΚΑΤΑ ΤΟΝ ΔΑΙΜΟΝΑ ΕΑΥΤΟΥ
OP
Member
Joined
Jul 14, 2008
Messages
5,859
Trophies
0
XP
984
Country
He didn't break any UK laws though, which would make the US side of the legal system slightly dissatisfied. Hence the extradition.
 

Ace

GBATemp's Patrick Bateman
Member
Joined
Apr 8, 2009
Messages
1,034
Trophies
0
Age
29
Location
Manhattan
Website
goo.gl
XP
538
Country
I'm hoping he keeps getting tried here. They let the PB founders stay in Sweden for their entire trial, why shouldn't this guy have the same treatment?
 

SifJar

Not a pirate
Member
Joined
Apr 4, 2009
Messages
6,022
Trophies
0
Website
Visit site
XP
1,175
Country
To be fair, he was most likely violating the copyrights of US companies (who'd want to pirate UK TV? :P ), so I guess it makes sense he goes to the US to get tried.
 

SifJar

Not a pirate
Member
Joined
Apr 4, 2009
Messages
6,022
Trophies
0
Website
Visit site
XP
1,175
Country
To be fair, he was most likely violating the copyrights of US companies (who'd want to pirate UK TV? :P ), so I guess it makes sense he goes to the US to get tried.
....90% of the TV I watch is pirated UK TV.
Really? I can only think of four or five UK shows even worth watching. Guess it appeals more to Americans than to us :P
 

Foxi4

Endless Trash
Global Moderator
Joined
Sep 13, 2009
Messages
30,825
Trophies
3
Location
Gaming Grotto
XP
29,841
Country
Poland
If GBAtemp linked to illegal materials, then yes, Costello could theoretically get extradited if the story unfolds as it seems it will. Whilst this site doesn't link to things which are illegal, certain people may believe it actually does.
Not entirely true. Everything depends on individual extradiction threaties between countries. The ambiguity of laws connected to the Internet can be used both for and againts someone. Look at the case of a certain Bay full of Corsairs - they've been in-and-out of courts on a weekly basis for the last... what, 6 years? 7?

One can interpret it that the "law was broken and that he has to be extradited", others may say "law was broken, but only in the UK", even others that "It was broken wherever the server was situated, because that's were the links physically were". This guy needs a better attorney.
 

xist

ΚΑΤΑ ΤΟΝ ΔΑΙΜΟΝΑ ΕΑΥΤΟΥ
OP
Member
Joined
Jul 14, 2008
Messages
5,859
Trophies
0
XP
984
Country
The British Government has actually been involved....and comparisons of extradition orders between the UK and US made. The real issue for the student himself is that he's not broken UK law but apparently he has broken US law. How can his legal team prevent a Government decision to accede to extradition because UK and US legal exchanges are generally approved?

This guy has provided a forum and access to links to material covered by US Copyright. It seems that's got a global cover so wherever you go you can't escape if these extradition laws hold. True O'Dwyer seems to be a bit unlucky in this instance, but i'd think that he's liable to get some form of punishment to set a precedent for future cases.
 

ferofax

End of the World
Member
Joined
Jan 26, 2009
Messages
2,570
Trophies
0
Age
42
Location
Philippines
Website
nonwhatso.blogspot.com
XP
687
Country
If GBAtemp linked to illegal materials, then yes, Costello could theoretically get extradited if the story unfolds as it seems it will. Whilst this site doesn't link to things which are illegal, certain people may believe it actually does.
the Dual Liability argument would probably kick in.

and besides, gbatemp may not be linking or hosting copyrighted material, but this is a forum that fosters homebrew, which companies like to see as "piracy". that's more than reason enough for them to take it down and prosecute everybody they can, if you give them the nudge this way.

in the US, people have been prosecuted and tried for the most ridiculous and makes-no-sense reasons. once they extradite you, all of their stupid laws apply to you. your only protection is if your government chooses to protect you from them. it's like this: i'd rather have my dad slap me than somebody else's dad.
 

xist

ΚΑΤΑ ΤΟΝ ΔΑΙΜΟΝΑ ΕΑΥΤΟΥ
OP
Member
Joined
Jul 14, 2008
Messages
5,859
Trophies
0
XP
984
Country
I expect that taking the Dual Liability route would be a prosecution nightmare that would bog things down indefinitely...the US Prosecution would most probably just want to hit the site owner with everything they have since they already have him, and tracking down every single person who used the site would prove somewhat challenging.
 

Foxi4

Endless Trash
Global Moderator
Joined
Sep 13, 2009
Messages
30,825
Trophies
3
Location
Gaming Grotto
XP
29,841
Country
Poland
The British Government has actually been involved....and comparisons of extradition orders between the UK and US made. The real issue for the student himself is that he's not broken UK law but apparently he has broken US law.

Quite easily, actually. He cannot be tried in the U.S for the simple reason that he's never been to the U.S physically and could never break any of the U.S laws, because as the people who wrote the extradiction papers may or may not know, the U.K is not a state in the U.S and as a civilian he is in no way bound by U.S law, DMCA or any other Copyright Laws that may be present in the U.S. The U.K's being a little bi*ch and allows the U.S to bum-f*ck it.

The availability of the website has nothing to do with liability - the U.S government did nothing to prevent access to the site or to inform the admin that he is infact in breach of certain laws. On the same basis you could trial me if I throw some garbage into the sea and the very same garbage miraculously ends up on the U.S sea coast. Do send me a fine, I am in need of fresh toilet roll.
 

xist

ΚΑΤΑ ΤΟΝ ΔΑΙΜΟΝΑ ΕΑΥΤΟΥ
OP
Member
Joined
Jul 14, 2008
Messages
5,859
Trophies
0
XP
984
Country
However if the US sent an extradition order to your Government, and they said "OK we'll send him over", then you're screwed. Which is what appears to be happening here...the UK Government is lying down and letting the little guy get slaughtered to protect the US-UK "Special" relationship...hur-hur-hurrrrrrrrrrrrr....
 

Site & Scene News

Popular threads in this forum

General chit-chat
Help Users
    K3Nv2 @ K3Nv2: Crowbar?