American Censorship Day

[godreborn]

this bill has far greater implications than mere piracy: I think I'll shut down this website, because I don't like the color of the font.



the airport-like screening truly pisses me off and it should for anyone. if that were to become the norm, it would destroy the industry in far less time than piracy.

 

[DiscostewSM]

That's a very extreme example and I agree that game B will sell more, but in the case of something like pokemon I'd guess maybe 150,000 of the 270,000 members on this site alone would pirate a pokemon game (if it was made available for all systems), of this about 125,000 would buy the game if piracy didn't exist, these people would probably have bought one of the original DS trilogy (Pearl Diamond and Platinum), HG or SS or B/W, I know I would have bought three out of them. that means about 375,000 sales have been lost to Ninty FROM THIS SITE ALONE, thousands more people who aren't members visit this site regularly and others that pirate the game have never been to GBAtemp, so a large scale game like that could potentially lose half a million sales because of piracy

But then I will just say prove that piracy didn't make the game as popular as it is today. What if piracy didn't exist, would there be so much potential buyers? How many people pirated yellow version but then bought the new DS ones? This is why trying to find a proof is impossible. Under the opinion that if industries make more money is better, there will exist a counter example that prevents you from making a valid proof.

How can you not accept that piracy doesn't hurt the industry, I would have bought so many games if it wasn't for piracy just losing one sale hurts the gaming industry, and since there are lots more like me who have 20+ games downloaded for free and atleast 10 of those I would have bought legally, there is no way in hell that piracy doesn't hurt any games sales it's ignorant to believe that

Can piracy hurt the industry? Yes, it can, but in many instances, it can do the opposite. Taking only the immediate circumstance shows it to be a bad thing, as a single pirate does not equal a sale (but understand it is not a loss of a sale, in that someone would have to buy two copies to make up for it), but somewhere down the line, the pirater may have influenced several people who originally weren't interested, but now are. That would make several "potential" buyers out of several "uninterested" people, making 0 possible sales to 0+ possible sales. Granted the entire lot might pirate it, but that isn't always the case. People are still skeptical with piracy because of the possible problems that can come from them, such as a flashcard or hardware/software mod bricking the system, getting caught pirating online, etc., so those that are influenced may not go the piracy route, leading to sales.

 

[godreborn]

well, the problem with piracy is that u'd have to lump used sales and rentals into the same category. the industry makes nothing from all three, so the argument doesn't really make sense.

maybe if the industries made better products more people would buy them. how many remakes and sequels do we really need? has hollywood become so full of untalented people that they have to rely on classic films? of course, the game industry is no better: selling a six-hour game for $60??? y anyone would willingly allow themselves to be ripped off like this??? it's a complete rip off! and, who can forget the ridiculously over-priced dlc or the lack of testing?

 

[Deleted User]

Apparently, Congress is holding a hearing today about an American Internet Censorship System.

They have the potential to radically alter or shut down sites like YouTube, Flickr, 4chan, others, and all new companies that follow

Should this go into effect, most of us can kiss our hoo-ha's goodbye. Many sites will be unavailable due to infringement.

many sites may become a "blocked" site for those of us in the U.S.. You posted a piece of the lyrics to a song on Facebook? Red lights flashing. Youtube? Their going to have a field day with this. You want free anime and music? You receive the scraps that the publishers give you. Remember reading manga online? Time to buy a physical copy and translate it yourself.

Also, many sites that are currently following the "order" of the DMCA will be in hot water.

So many things come about from this restriction and preemptive prosecution. The mere thought that this is reaching the Senate has me wondering, "WTF?!"

http://americancensorship.org/

Surely this is illegal/impossible.
Wouldn't they get intense backslash from other countries?
I can understand copyright, copyright, etc, so I'll leave this up to the public to fume over.

 

[alidsl]

The difference between renting and pirating is that renting is for trying a game out, meanwhile piracy is meant to be for trying a game out

 

[Valwin]

many torrents site i been today have the censorship ad omg this is bad if it happens

 

[Nujui]

The difference between renting and pirating is that renting is for trying a game out, meanwhile piracy is meant to be for trying a game out

You could possibly also finish the rented game or the pirated game as well. I use to rent PS2 games from a local store when I was little, I finished I think 5 out of the maybe 8 or so I did rent from there.

 

[alidsl]

The difference between renting and pirating is that renting is for trying a game out, meanwhile piracy is meant to be for trying a game out

You could possibly also finish the rented game or the pirated game as well. I use to rent PS2 games from a local store when I was little, I finished I think 5 out of the maybe 8 or so I did rent from there.

renting costs money though, people don't like spending money and then complain when they are forced to do things legally

 

[Nujui]

The difference between renting and pirating is that renting is for trying a game out, meanwhile piracy is meant to be for trying a game out

You could possibly also finish the rented game or the pirated game as well. I use to rent PS2 games from a local store when I was little, I finished I think 5 out of the maybe 8 or so I did rent from there.

renting costs money though, people don't like spending money and then complain when they are forced to do things legally

I'm not complaining to spend money to rent games, I did it for most of my childhood, and I know of many people that use Gamefly as well and don't mind it either.

Though you are right, there are people that do complain about doing things such as that.

 

[alidsl]

The difference between renting and pirating is that renting is for trying a game out, meanwhile piracy is meant to be for trying a game out

You could possibly also finish the rented game or the pirated game as well. I use to rent PS2 games from a local store when I was little, I finished I think 5 out of the maybe 8 or so I did rent from there.

renting costs money though, people don't like spending money and then complain when they are forced to do things legally

I'm not complaining to spend money to rent games, I did it for most of my childhood, and I know of many people that use Gamefly as well and don't mind it either.

renting's never been that popular for games, it's because in a years time you might want to go back to said game and play it for nostalgia's sake, I also rented games when I was 5, but that's only cause I wasn't set on completing games like I am now

 

[Nujui]

The difference between renting and pirating is that renting is for trying a game out, meanwhile piracy is meant to be for trying a game out

You could possibly also finish the rented game or the pirated game as well. I use to rent PS2 games from a local store when I was little, I finished I think 5 out of the maybe 8 or so I did rent from there.

renting costs money though, people don't like spending money and then complain when they are forced to do things legally

I'm not complaining to spend money to rent games, I did it for most of my childhood, and I know of many people that use Gamefly as well and don't mind it either.

renting's never been that popular for games, it's because in a years time you might want to go back to said game and play it for nostalgia's sake, I also rented games when I was 5, but that's only cause I wasn't set on completing games like I am now

Well actually I rented Jak 3 like 3 times from where I rented games before just so that I could beat it, but that's just me , but yeah, now that I think about renting's not that popular anymore.

 

[Gh0sti]

does anyone know if this got passed?? whats the news about this

 

[Guild McCommunist]

many torrents site i been today have the censorship ad omg this is bad if it happens

Piracy sites are usually run by a bunch of "couch activists" who want to be all "down with the government!" and rebellious. Of course they don't want this to pass, anything that has the word "government" in it unless it's preceded by "burn the" will be boo'd by slacktavists.

Also because pirates think it's completely okay to illegally download content and whine if people actually try to stop that. It's illegal, deal with it.

 

[Gahars]

You guys are putting too much stock into this. Similar measures to this one have been voted down recently, so precedent dictates that the same will probably happen to this. Plus, companies (and their lobbyists) would in no way support this - they'd lose a shit ton of money if their sites were even partially shut down due to copyright infringements.

And as Guild say, let's say, by some divine intervention, it does get passed, the internet as we know it will not disappear over night. Plus, you can bet your ass that this would immediately be taken to the court system, and likely reach the Supreme Court if they see it as a big enough issue.

Take a deep breath and relax.

 

[the_randomizer]

How many of you have noticed the government monitoring your internet activities and using this information against you?

The more I find out how much they're actually seeing us do on the internet, the more likely I'll resort to using proxies, VPNs and TOR. What right do those sodding jerks have to spy on us?

 

[Deleted User]

You guys need to watch this.

Skip to 1:57, or watch the whole thing, He's my hero.

And guild, Watch this video, Just because YOU don't understand how laws work, Doesn't make it less true.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

Brandon, I'm not gonna waste 8 minutes of my time watching some slacktavist talk about how freedom of speech is dead even though him posting a video proclaiming the death of freedom of speech completely contradicts that statement.

Type something out, don't link me to shit Youtube vids.

 

[Deleted User]

Brandon, I'm not gonna waste 8 minutes of my time watching some slacktavist talk about how freedom of speech is dead even though him posting a video proclaiming the death of freedom of speech completely contradicts that statement.

Type something out, don't link me to shit Youtube vids.

You just cant admit that you're wrong, I almost feel bad for you.

 

[Gahars]

Brandon, I'm not gonna waste 8 minutes of my time watching some slacktavist talk about how freedom of speech is dead even though him posting a video proclaiming the death of freedom of speech completely contradicts that statement.

Type something out, don't link me to shit Youtube vids.

Don't worry about the video; it's the Amazing Athiest/the Distressed Watcher. You're really not missing much (unless you're in the market for pretentious blowhards).

 

[Guild McCommunist]

You just cant admit that you're wrong, I almost feel bad for you.

You can't admit that you sound pretty mad.

Personally, I prefer my panties in an unbunched fashion.