American Censorship Day

[alidsl]

Prove that piracy does greater bad than good.

You didn't honestly just say that?

I just honestly said that. Are you gonna say something about it because I can guarantee anything you say to try and "Prove" it will be just unintelligent garbage.

The fact that good and bad are opinionated means you would have to start the proof assuming good and bad are well defined (when in actuality is not). It's impossible to prove that piracy does greater bad than good and the other way around that piracy does greater good than bad because it is heavily influenced by opinions (which are never consistent).

So if you are going to say something, bring it on

Piracy harms nearly every industry that involves computers, I can tell you now that small time companies (especially iOS game devs) are massively harmed by piracy, so many people have jailbroken their iPhones and iPod touches that small time devs make much less money than they should. Also most of my friends don't pay for their music anymore and prefer to just download it, thus hurting the music industry.

Pretty much what you are saying is that piracy is good for everyone because it means that people like you don't have to pay for games that people have spent years creating. Next time think about what you say before you post

 

[Guild McCommunist]

Basically people are whiny bitches on "infringements of personal rights" when it, by some unlikely chance, can stop them from either A) illegally obtaining content or B) watching porn.

I fucking love the internet.

Also, you all realize that any major site like Youtube, Facebook, etc, would never get taken down by the US government unless we turned into 1984 overnight since they're parts or are giant corporations. Youtube is owned by Google. Google is fucking huge. Facebook is owned by, you know, Facebook. Facebook is also fucking huge. "Mom and pop" sites like this would never get taken down because there's no fucking reason for it. We don't do anything illegal. We have strict policies against it and even then, we're rather small in the whole scheme of things.

If this law goes into effect I promise you that you will notice not a single thing has changed except for the bunching ratio in the panties of a few bitches.

GBatemp is full of trolls. I doubt the majority of this forum actually agrees with this bill.

"Agreeing with this bill" and "not making such a big fucking deal about it because jack shit will change" are two completely different things. Do I support this bill? Absolutely not. Do I think George Orwell will be doing the "I told you so" dance in his grave because of this? Absolutely not.

 

[chartube12]

Except sites hosting the files needed for hacking will be block in the u.s and thus making gbatemp kind of useless.

 

[DjoeN]

I would say "Censored" and "Censored" Whatever the"Censored" will do it only "Censored" because as you can read here, the "Censored" "Censored" "Censored" will do that.
It is SO "Censored" that the can "Censored"

"Censored" Whatever, this "Censored"

Goodbye US "Censored"

With kind regards,
"Censored"

... Do I think George Orwell will be doing the "I told you so" dance in his grave because of this? Absolutely not.

He can't, because he doesn't have the space in his coffin to do the dance!
He would if he had the space to do his "I told you so" dance!


With kind regards
"Censored"

 

[alidsl]

It's like that British bill that happened ages ago NOTHING CHANGED

 

[Guild McCommunist]

Except sites hosting the files needed for hacking will be block in the u.s and thus making gbatemp kind of useless.

They're not illegal so they won't. FileTrip won't be taken down because we host nothing illegal on it.

EDIT: The Patriot Act has been in effect for ten years. How many of you have noticed the government monitoring your internet activities and using this information against you?

 

[Zetta_x]

Piracy harms nearly every industry that involves computers, I can tell you now that small time companies (especially iOS game devs) are massively harmed by piracy, so many people have jailbroken their iPhones and iPod touches that small time devs make much less money than they should. Also most of my friends don't pay for their music anymore and prefer to just download it, thus hurting the music industry.

Pretty much what you are saying is that piracy is good for everyone because it means that people like you don't have to pay for games that people have spent years creating. Next time think about what you say before you post

You haven't proved anything yet... I told you everything that you said is just unintelligent garbage. All you are doing is looking at a small subset of observations and saying it's a proof. Get real and get out.

Here are two valid proof with games and piracy:

Under the opinion that good is defined as more people playing games. Since the number of people playing games only increases by piracy, this implies that piracy creates good.
Under the same opinion, it would be bad if less people played games. Therefore overall piracy has greater good than bad.

Number two:

Under the opinion that good is defined as when there is not people playing games for free while others are buying them, since piracy encourages free games, this implies that piracy creates bad.
Under the same opinion, it would be bad if more people were played games for free. Therefore overall piracy has greater bad than good.

The reason why there does not exist a proof whether piracy is bad or not is because it requires an opinion and since there is ultimately many opinions (who is to say one opinion is better than the other) all proofs are nothing but an opinion.

Your argument:
I think that piracy harms every industry even when I'm not even capable of fully analyzing every aspect of how piracy influences industries. So I'm just going to say under my opinion what I think about piracy and say it's a proof that piracy is greater bad than good. I'm 15 and I think I can do proofs

Shut your hole and talk in the trashcan because your posts are nothing but garbage when it comes to proofs

 

[Hyro-Sama]

Basically people are whiny bitches on "infringements of personal rights" when it, by some unlikely chance, can stop them from either A) illegally obtaining content or B) watching porn.

I fucking love the internet.

Also, you all realize that any major site like Youtube, Facebook, etc, would never get taken down by the US government unless we turned into 1984 overnight since they're parts or are giant corporations. Youtube is owned by Google. Google is fucking huge. Facebook is owned by, you know, Facebook. Facebook is also fucking huge. "Mom and pop" sites like this would never get taken down because there's no fucking reason for it. We don't do anything illegal. We have strict policies against it and even then, we're rather small in the whole scheme of things.

If this law goes into effect I promise you that you will notice not a single thing has changed except for the bunching ratio in the panties of a few bitches.

I think that you're severely underestimating the power of this bill. Although I do agree that some people including myself are overexaggerating.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

*stuff*

Not gonna really do anything relating to this argument but it's useful to quote whoever you're counterpointing so it doesn't seem like you're taking random shots at random people. This thread is getting a lot of posts so I highly suggest you quote whatever you're countering.

 

[Deleted User]

Except sites hosting the files needed for hacking will be block in the u.s and thus making gbatemp kind of useless.

They're not illegal so they won't. FileTrip won't be taken down because we host nothing illegal on it.

EDIT: The Patriot Act has been in effect for ten years. How many of you have noticed the government monitoring your internet activities and using this information against you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAtSfNh9B0c


First off, I dislike DSP, but his point in this video is 100% true, on pretty much everything, Have a watch before you post again.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

I think that you're severely underestimating the power of this bill. Although I do agree that some people including myself are overexaggerating.

I know the power of this bill, I also know that it will probably never be used to its fullest.

 

[alidsl]

You haven't proved anything yet... I told you everything that you said is just unintelligent garbage. All you are doing is looking at a small subset of observations and saying it's a proof. Get real and get out.

Under the opinion that good is defined as more people playing games. Since the number of people playing games only increases by piracy, this implies that piracy creates good.
Under the same opinion, it would be bad if less people played games. Therefore overall piracy has greater good than bad.

So because piracy means more people play the game ILLEGALLY that means piracy is good, also my age makes no difference on the situation whatsoever, piracy hurts companies by giving them less sales (even though some people might not buy the game anyway)

 

[Zetta_x]

You haven't proved anything yet... I told you everything that you said is just unintelligent garbage. All you are doing is looking at a small subset of observations and saying it's a proof. Get real and get out.

Under the opinion that good is defined as more people playing games. Since the number of people playing games only increases by piracy, this implies that piracy creates good.
Under the same opinion, it would be bad if less people played games. Therefore overall piracy has greater good than bad.

So because piracy means more people play the game ILLEGALLY that means piracy is good, also my age makes no difference on the situation whatsoever, piracy hurts companies by giving them less sales (even though some people might not buy the game anyway)

I have repeatedly told you that you are looking at it from only one opinion. There are multiple opinions.

Here is a counter example to your argument: The more people who play a game, the more sales it generates.

Imagine two extreme scenarios, what do you think will make more revenue on a game in the next 9 months:

Game A - No people pirated, only 1 person bought.
Game B - 100,000 people pirated, only 1 person bought.

Obviously, in the next 9 months, Game B would make more sales due to it's popularity. Since the only difference between them is the number of people who pirated them, this implies that piracy also increases sales.

Even when you take it from your limited opinion and perspective, you still have not constructed a valid proof (I just shown a counter example)

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This all started with you saying this bill is passing because of piracy. Whether or not piracy does greater good than bad does not even contribute to the discussion of this topic. I have so much work to do it is not even funny. If you want to continue this, PM me, otherwise it's left at this.

 

[Deleted User]

You haven't proved anything yet... I told you everything that you said is just unintelligent garbage. All you are doing is looking at a small subset of observations and saying it's a proof. Get real and get out.

Under the opinion that good is defined as more people playing games. Since the number of people playing games only increases by piracy, this implies that piracy creates good.
Under the same opinion, it would be bad if less people played games. Therefore overall piracy has greater good than bad.

So because piracy means more people play the game ILLEGALLY that means piracy is good, also my age makes no difference on the situation whatsoever, piracy hurts companies by giving them less sales (even though some people might not buy the game anyway)

I have repeatedly told you that you are looking at it from only one opinion. There are multiple opinions.

Here is a counter example to your argument: The more people who play a game, the more sales it generates.

Imagine two extreme scenarios, what do you think will make more revenue on a game in the next 9 months:

Game A - No people pirated, only 1 person bought.
Game B - 100,000 people pirated, only 1 person bought.

Obviously, in the next 9 months, Game B would make more sales due to it's popularity. Since the only difference between them is the number of people who pirated them, this implies that piracy also increases sales.

Even when you take it from your limited opinion and perspective, you still have not constructed a valid proof (I just shown a counter example)

Winner
http://www.destructoid.com/team-meat-doesn-t-f-cking-care-about-piracy-206455.phtml

 

[FluffyLunamoth]

I think that you're severely underestimating the power of this bill. Although I do agree that some people including myself are overexaggerating.

I know the power of this bill, I also know that it will probably never be used to its fullest.

You obviously underestimate the lengths corporations are willing to go to. ...Or is this the wrong thing? I'd have to go find the source and read it, and to my just-waking-up-brain, it's not worth it.

 

[alidsl]

You haven't proved anything yet... I told you everything that you said is just unintelligent garbage. All you are doing is looking at a small subset of observations and saying it's a proof. Get real and get out.

Under the opinion that good is defined as more people playing games. Since the number of people playing games only increases by piracy, this implies that piracy creates good.
Under the same opinion, it would be bad if less people played games. Therefore overall piracy has greater good than bad.

So because piracy means more people play the game ILLEGALLY that means piracy is good, also my age makes no difference on the situation whatsoever, piracy hurts companies by giving them less sales (even though some people might not buy the game anyway)

I have repeatedly told you that you are looking at it from only one opinion. There are multiple opinions.

Here is a counter example to your argument: The more people who play a game, the more sales it generates.

Imagine two extreme scenarios, what do you think will make more revenue on a game in the next 9 months:

Game A - No people pirated, only 1 person bought.
Game B - 100,000 people pirated, only 1 person bought.

Obviously, in the next 9 months, Game B would make more sales due to it's popularity. Since the only difference between them is the number of people who pirated them, this implies that piracy also increases sales.

Even when you take it from your limited opinion and perspective, you still have not constructed a valid proof (I just shown a counter example)

That's a very extreme example and I agree that game B will sell more, but in the case of something like pokemon I'd guess maybe 150,000 of the 270,000 members on this site alone would pirate a pokemon game (if it was made available for all systems), of this about 125,000 would buy the game if piracy didn't exist, these people would probably have bought one of the original DS trilogy (Pearl Diamond and Platinum), HG or SS or B/W, I know I would have bought three out of them. that means about 375,000 sales have been lost to Ninty FROM THIS SITE ALONE, thousands more people who aren't members visit this site regularly and others that pirate the game have never been to GBAtemp, so a large scale game like that could potentially lose half a million sales because of piracy

 

[Sterling]

I think that you're severely underestimating the power of this bill. Although I do agree that some people including myself are overexaggerating.

I know the power of this bill, I also know that it will probably never be used to its fullest.

The key word is probably. If there is even the slightest chance that this will be abused, then the people of the United States should make it known that they dislike the bill. This should be shot down now, and every time it's proposed.

 

[DiscostewSM]

You haven't proved anything yet... I told you everything that you said is just unintelligent garbage. All you are doing is looking at a small subset of observations and saying it's a proof. Get real and get out.

Under the opinion that good is defined as more people playing games. Since the number of people playing games only increases by piracy, this implies that piracy creates good.
Under the same opinion, it would be bad if less people played games. Therefore overall piracy has greater good than bad.

So because piracy means more people play the game ILLEGALLY that means piracy is good, also my age makes no difference on the situation whatsoever, piracy hurts companies by giving them less sales (even though some people might not buy the game anyway)

I have repeatedly told you that you are looking at it from only one opinion. There are multiple opinions.

Here is a counter example to your argument: The more people who play a game, the more sales it generates.

Imagine two extreme scenarios, what do you think will make more revenue on a game in the next 9 months:

Game A - No people pirated, only 1 person bought.
Game B - 100,000 people pirated, only 1 person bought.

Obviously, in the next 9 months, Game B would make more sales due to it's popularity. Since the only difference between them is the number of people who pirated them, this implies that piracy also increases sales.

Even when you take it from your limited opinion and perspective, you still have not constructed a valid proof (I just shown a counter example)

Well, the increase in sales is based on the piraters spreading the word of a game's popularity to those "willing" to buy it, not from the actual piracy itself. If such pirate informers were only informing other piraters, then it would increase the piracy, not the sales. It's only when those that are informed, but do not pirate, that are what increase the sales, but that can only be tallied on how many pirates it took to get to those non-piraters that generate the sales. If it was one pirate for each purchaser, then I'd find that to be a good thing in terms of sales. If it took 10 pirates per purchaser, then I'd be worried. Of course, with the internet, a single person can spread the word to thousands and more "potential" sales, which can either be more pirates or purchasers.


Anyways, back on topic:

My main problem with this whole thing is that rather than giving us a choice, they are taking away that choice, or our freedom to choose, because they think they know what's best for us. Over that past many years, since when have they truly had the in their minds what was best for us? Even if it turned out to be a good thing in the end, they had broken the rules of the nation, and such cases would continue to occur within government with no consequences to those breaking the rules.

 

[Zetta_x]

That's a very extreme example and I agree that game B will sell more, but in the case of something like pokemon I'd guess maybe 150,000 of the 270,000 members on this site alone would pirate a pokemon game (if it was made available for all systems), of this about 125,000 would buy the game if piracy didn't exist, these people would probably have bought one of the original DS trilogy (Pearl Diamond and Platinum), HG or SS or B/W, I know I would have bought three out of them. that means about 375,000 sales have been lost to Ninty FROM THIS SITE ALONE, thousands more people who aren't members visit this site regularly and others that pirate the game have never been to GBAtemp, so a large scale game like that could potentially lose half a million sales because of piracy

But then I will just say prove that piracy didn't make the game as popular as it is today. What if piracy didn't exist, would there be so much potential buyers? How many people pirated yellow version but then bought the new DS ones? This is why trying to find a proof is impossible. Under the opinion that if industries make more money is better, there will exist a counter example that prevents you from making a valid proof.

 

[alidsl]

That's a very extreme example and I agree that game B will sell more, but in the case of something like pokemon I'd guess maybe 150,000 of the 270,000 members on this site alone would pirate a pokemon game (if it was made available for all systems), of this about 125,000 would buy the game if piracy didn't exist, these people would probably have bought one of the original DS trilogy (Pearl Diamond and Platinum), HG or SS or B/W, I know I would have bought three out of them. that means about 375,000 sales have been lost to Ninty FROM THIS SITE ALONE, thousands more people who aren't members visit this site regularly and others that pirate the game have never been to GBAtemp, so a large scale game like that could potentially lose half a million sales because of piracy

But then I will just say prove that piracy didn't make the game as popular as it is today. What if piracy didn't exist, would there be so much potential buyers? How many people pirated yellow version but then bought the new DS ones? This is why trying to find a proof is impossible. Under the opinion that if industries make more money is better, there will exist a counter example that prevents you from making a valid proof.

How can you not accept that piracy doesn't hurt the industry, I would have bought so many games if it wasn't for piracy just losing one sale hurts the gaming industry, and since there are lots more like me who have 20+ games downloaded for free and atleast 10 of those I would have bought legally, there is no way in hell that piracy doesn't hurt any games sales it's ignorant to believe that