Hacking Disc Channel requires "Wii System Update" to play

[Elliander]

I modded two different Wii's now with ModMii and I am facing a bit of a problem with both of them. With some games (Such as "Lost Shadow" and "Marvel Super Hero Squad") I can no longer play from the disc. I see "Wii System Update" replacing the disc channel. I did not see this before I modded the Wii. (and before anyone asks, yes, I followed all of the directions correctly. This appears regardless of if the Wii is connected to the internet or not, but with the first Wii I modded I had to replace the CIOS files again after running the update so it looks like the new discs are checking for a modified CIOS and replacing it with an official one.

The reason why this is a problem is simple:

1.) I sometimes rent games and don't want to install a game I do not own. (because that would be piracy)
2.) I often play with friends on the occasional game night. (who doesn't?) and don't like the idea that someone could accidentally unmod my wii with a button press. By not installing a Wii game anyone using my Wii can do this.

I currently just go into USB Loader GX and click the disc picture on the top right to load my games and they will play with no problem (and games I do own I just install and load them that way), but I'd really like to find out if there is any way to get rid of the "Wii System Update"

 

[Fishaman P]

While other people would HIGHLY recommend against this, I would just say update.

I modded a YMCA Wii to 4.2, but Mario Kart Wii insisted that the Wii wasn't up to date. A kid updated it, and the homebrew/USB loading wasn't affected, and Mario Kart is fine now.

 

[StealthSock]

Since you're already using ModMii, the fix is pretty easy. When you ran ModMii, you probably installed Priiloader as one of the steps. Turn off your Wii and then hold the reset button while turning it back on. Priiloader should then load. (If it does not load, you may still have an installer from ModMii on your homebrew channel. Follow the instructions in ModMii to make sure Priiloader gets installed.) Select System Menu Hacks from the Priiloader menu and then go down the list enabling the hacks you would like. For your issue, you want "Block Disc Updates". While you're at it you might as well also enable any other hacks you would like. I would just stay away from "Recovery Mode" and "Freeze Wii" options unless you fully understand what they are used for. Besides those, the rest are a matter of personal preference. When you are done, be sure to hit "save settings" at the bottom, press B, and then select System Menu. Your disc channel should now ignore updates.

 

[Lacius]

As StealthSock said, just block updates with Priiloader. There is no reason to update.

 

[nunavat2010]

I would just update 4.3U would not install prriloader. Don't care what experts says about don't update. I prefer to take advise of brewers (ps mod delete this, if I am saying inappropriate words )

 

[Taleweaver]

Ah, the joys of democracy. The morons who got lucky screwing around with their wii got the same right to an opinion as the guys who actually know what the fuck they're doing.



This appears regardless of if the Wii is connected to the internet or not, but with the first Wii I modded I had to replace the CIOS files again after running the update so it looks like the new discs are checking for a modified CIOS and replacing it with an official one.

True. Updates can happen either through the internet or because game discs "require" them*. And the firmware updates 4.2 and 4.3 check some IOS slots that aren't used by retail games (like 249 and 222) and "updates" those with an official one that has no code (this is called a stub).

Worse: if you DO update and then replace the overwritten cIOS with a working one (for backup purposes and most homebrew), the game disc will again prompt you to update (it detects that 249 cIOS has an older version number than the version on the disc). So the only way to really get rid of the message AND keep your cIOS in place** is to install priiloader and block the updates (what Stealthsock says, in other words).


@nunavat2010: sorry...do you have a grudge against knowledge or something? I do not write homebrew myself, but I do know how to use it. Experts wouldn't be experts if they didn't knew what they were talking about, so why you say they aren't to be trusted is beyond me. It sure beats your advise in terms of actually solving anything.

(oh, and I don't like to be called an expert either. Compared to some on this forum, I know ridiculously little).









*this is between brackets because it's simply a lie. All games work on all firmwares. It just doesn't show because unless you block updates, you cannot avoid the check.
**okay this isn't entirely true: there are ways to change the version number to a higher number than the current stub. This is probably why fishaman's friend didn't lose his cIOS. It is not, however, something that will work on every wii.

 

[Hyro-Sama]

Why are you using discs if your Wii is modded? Are you retarded?

 

[kylster]

Spoiler

Ah, the joys of democracy. The morons who got lucky screwing around with their wii got the same right to an opinion as the guys who actually know what the fuck they're doing.



This appears regardless of if the Wii is connected to the internet or not, but with the first Wii I modded I had to replace the CIOS files again after running the update so it looks like the new discs are checking for a modified CIOS and replacing it with an official one.

True. Updates can happen either through the internet or because game discs "require" them*. And the firmware updates 4.2 and 4.3 check some IOS slots that aren't used by retail games (like 249 and 222) and "updates" those with an official one that has no code (this is called a stub).

Worse: if you DO update and then replace the overwritten cIOS with a working one (for backup purposes and most homebrew), the game disc will again prompt you to update (it detects that 249 cIOS has an older version number than the version on the disc). So the only way to really get rid of the message AND keep your cIOS in place** is to install priiloader and block the updates (what Stealthsock says, in other words).


@nunavat2010: sorry...do you have a grudge against knowledge or something? I do not write homebrew myself, but I do know how to use it. Experts wouldn't be experts if they didn't knew what they were talking about, so why you say they aren't to be trusted is beyond me. It sure beats your advise in terms of actually solving anything.

(oh, and I don't like to be called an expert either. Compared to some on this forum, I know ridiculously little).









*this is between brackets because it's simply a lie. All games work on all firmwares. It just doesn't show because unless you block updates, you cannot avoid the check.
**okay this isn't entirely true: there are ways to change the version number to a higher number than the current stub. This is probably why fishaman's friend didn't lose his cIOS. It is not, however, something that will work on every wii.

All you need to do is use ShowMiiWads on your PC to change the versionTitle of the cIOS to 65535 and it will never get deleted. I do this will all cIOS even if I had to install; dump; then re-install via WadManager.

Also if your worried about your SM getting updated just use WiiMod v2.9 (found on forums here) to install a Custom System Menu with version Number 65535; make sure you have an internet connection or you could just use ShowMiiWad to change the version number of your System Menu and then install via WadManager.

 

[OriginalHamster]

Why are you using discs if your Wii is modded? Are you retarded?

Woah, woah
Maybe his HDD is being used in other thing?
Maybe he actually bought his games?

I really hate this if you don't pirate games you're retarded mentality

On topic, I had the same problem has you OP, I blocked the updates with startpatch.
I think the system is trying to overwritte one of your cIOS, that's why it ask for an update, but it's totally unnecessary

Another option is install maximized version of your cIOS, so the system "think" that it has installed the latest versions, hence no update prompt. I've not tested this method myself though.

 

[Elliander]

As StealthSock said, just block updates with Priiloader. There is no reason to update.

I already did that. As I said, I followed all of the instructions that ModMii gave me and one of them was to block disc updates. It apparently didn't work.

Why are you using discs if your Wii is modded? Are you retarded?

hmm. Are you admitting to piracy? Are you retarded? lol

Why are you using discs if your Wii is modded? Are you retarded?

Woah, woah
Maybe his HDD is being used in other thing?
Maybe he actually bought his games?

I really hate this if you don't pirate games you're retarded mentality

Thank you! Someone actually gets it! As I said before I sometimes rent games and the games I rent are the games I do not own. I use USB Loader GX to backup games I do own, but for games I do not own I do not install. It's Piracy that gives Modding a bad name! That's probably the main reason why the newest Wii's can't even play unburned DVD discs, and a factor in why the Wiis to come out this winter will be stripped of all gamecube support (since the Gamecube controllers are used for N64 emulation and since it might slow down efforts to get a gamecube backup loader working) and probably why the Wii-U won't be fully backward compatible (will it even be possible to get all the same homebrew stuff on a Wii-U?) and all because Nintendo feels it has to fight everyone who just wants to consolidate their counter space. I love being able to play all the playstation 1 games on my wii, all my old Nintendo 64 games, sega genesis games, super nintendo, etc. But I'm not a Pirate! I have a right to use what I pay for and the Wii Modding makes it possible to enjoy the old games I did buy all over again!

On topic, I had the same problem has you OP, I blocked the updates with startpatch.
I think the system is trying to overwritte one of your cIOS, that's why it ask for an update, but it's totally unnecessary

Another option is install maximized version of your cIOS, so the system "think" that it has installed the latest versions, hence no update prompt. I've not tested this method myself though.

That's what I think is going on too. Can you tell me a bit more about the maximized cIOS?

 

[Lacius]

As StealthSock said, just block updates with Priiloader. There is no reason to update.

I already did that. As I said, I followed all of the instructions that ModMii gave me and one of them was to block disc updates. It apparently didn't work.

If you see "Wii System Update" replacing the disc channel, you did something wrong.

 

[JoostinOnline]

You probably didn't save the setting.

 

[Elliander]

You probably didn't save the setting.

Nope. I definitely saved it. I am well aware that on the very bottom is a save settings button that must be pressed to save and I also went back in right after and double checked everything. I also went back in to double check. "Block Disc Updates" shows as enabled under "System Menu Hacks" just as I thought. For good measure though I just now also enabled "Remove Diagnostic Disc Check" (which I didn't enable the first time around because it wasn't suggested and I didn't know what it did) then I put in one of the games that was giving me that system message and... no more system message.

So it wasn't the "Block Disc Updates" I needed but the "Remove Diagnostic Disc Check" (or maybe both?) and now that I think about it that makes sense. I guess the Block Disc Updates would have made it impossible for someone to complete the update if someone did click to do so, while the "Remove Diagnostic Disc Check" prevented the System Update from appearing at all.

Since everyone here insisted that I needed to have "Block Disc Updates" enabled that kinda supports the idea that I didn't do anything wrong in the following of the directions.

 

[JoostinOnline]

You probably didn't save the setting.

Nope. I definitely saved it. I am well aware that on the very bottom is a save settings button that must be pressed to save and I also went back in right after and double checked everything. I also went back in to double check. "Block Disc Updates" shows as enabled under "System Menu Hacks" just as I thought. For good measure though I just now also enabled "Remove Diagnostic Disc Check" (which I didn't enable the first time around because it wasn't suggested and I didn't know what it did) then I put in one of the games that was giving me that system message and... no more system message.

So it wasn't the "Block Disc Updates" I needed but the "Remove Diagnostic Disc Check" (or maybe both?) and now that I think about it that makes sense. I guess the Block Disc Updates would have made it impossible for someone to complete the update if someone did click to do so, while the "Remove Diagnostic Disc Check" prevented the System Update from appearing at all.

Diagnostic Disc Check has nothing to do with updates, it's related to running discs from the recovery menu. Something must have gone wrong and the hacks weren't actually applied the first time. It's happened to me before too.

 

[OriginalHamster]

Did you use startpatch?

 

[JoostinOnline]

Did you use startpatch?

I hope you aren't suggest StartPatch. That's a terrible idea.

 

[OriginalHamster]

Did you use startpatch?

I hope you aren't suggest StartPatch. That's a terrible idea.

Is the installation of Preloader/Priiloader hacks one of the ModMii steps?

 

[JoostinOnline]

Did you use startpatch?

I hope you aren't suggest StartPatch. That's a terrible idea.

Is the installation of Preloader/Priiloader hacks one of the ModMii steps?

Yes.

 

[sweenish]

using modmii also installs cIOS's with maxed out version numbers. there needs to a giant banner telling people to run modmii again. 99% of new threads would be stopped cold.

 

[akari212]

Mauifrog's patched SM4.1 had set-ed to highest revision. So even if there's a latest N updates. It wont just ask for any updates. Without the help of priiloader SM hacks.

Note: If you plan to use it, make sure to read his tutorial first.