LittleSinchen, the naive and credulous tool

The following text is so long I decided to split it in two parts. It would be nice if some people read it. Some details cannot be described (private). Because the topic is disturbing for me, the quality of the text will probably be below my standards, which are already not the highest as English is not my first language and my heavy dictionary (ab)use probably may make it sound even more strange. Please be lenient if it sounds strange.

I have to publish this in order to sort my thoughts and clear my mind. I feel the need to tell this story and express my opinion. To not prolong the too long entry further, I decided to not include any examples (there are plenty…)
That’s it. I’m done with social contacts in real life! I’ve had sworn myself to never let anybody take advantage of me ever again. But it happened yet again. Some months ago I opened a thread on the topic “Does real/true friendship exist?” and got more replies than expected. Very interesting opinions. GBAtemp never ceases to amaze! While I agree with the “Yes, reliable people exist, but are very hard to find”-statements, I will not take the risk anymore in the future. In that topic, I deliberately kept the question universally. It was not about my private situation (which was only the reason for asking for opinions). Now that the dust has settled a bit, it is time to bring the topic to the personal blog/level.

I said “never again” the last time to myself, but then a “friend” from the past reached out to me and a little later he introduced me to his new girlfriend. Some nostalgic feelings and the urge of not wanting emptiness in my life made me want to believe… so I gave him a leap of faith. So many plans, so many promises, so good prospects. At the beginning it was alright. Gradually it shifted to the usual asymmetric taking advantage of me. The two even talked me into doing what I never wanted to do again in my life (a very weak point on me); right from the beginning. They wouldn’t stop until I backed down and accepted. They insisted on me doing this (and didn’t care for opening up old wounds and some more possible problems). Nevertheless it was all my fault at the end…

This time I have learned my lesson: People do not want me as a person!
They want my skills, my work performance… and maybe they want my generosity in material things.

I care the least for the material part. Losing money does not bother me – I don’t need much anyway; pretty frugal.​

No use discussing with them. They will stay stubborn forever and pretend it’s not true. Nothing I say, nothing I feel is ever true (and even this wouldn’t be true and just a reason for salty comments or some meta-BS… he is always so high above everything, so very meta). And if I gave irrefutable proof for my claims… the discussion ended with: “We heard your stance on this. But it is still not true and we will stick with our opinion.”

On any given topic there are exactly two opinions:
  • theirs
  • the wrong opinion
Facts mean nothing. Examples mean nothing. Proofs mean nothing. Reality means nothing. They’re right, I’m wrong – no matter what.

Guess how angry I got… and guess how much they care(d). They seem to have complete lack of understanding that their behavior is wrong, mean and selfish. They are on a power trip. They are always right. He literally told me that I have to expect nothing in return for my efforts – and if I’m not happy with that (getting nothing in return) I shall stop my commitment. After everything I have done (several hundred unpaid work hours). “If you want something return: We can’t deliver that. So stop already if this is not yours and you feel taken advantage of.” Again: AFTER I’ve invested countless work hours with virtually nothing in return (but empty, broken promises) he told me I might stop. How gracious!
When this “friendship” started (again) I thought I could trust him/them. I told them what happened the last time… and they were both shocked. Told me it was not believable. Told me how wrong and mean it was from her to do this to me. And gradually they started doing the exact same thing. Again, and literally: They used the same words that they condemned when I talked about my former friend from the previous entry about friendship. I’m sure they won’t remember that they condemned those words. I’m sure it’s completely different in their case. No need to discuss. The result is and was clear:

We did nothing wrong, but we don’t want you to feel bad. If you’re not comfortable with that: Stop, leave, bye bye. Kthx!”

Is that all? No, of course not. In the end I had to get something in return. As a reward for my continues efforts I got some verbal insults. And all my attempts of talking directly ended with “Will not discuss any further. ‘nough.” All attempts to use e-mail as well as direct communication for expressing problems went like this:
  • Denial, denial, denial
  • Repeating the already mentioned insults
  • Accusation of playing “psycho-games” and “mail ping-pong” instead of a direct conversation
  • Trying to govern me/order me around/tell me what to (not) do. This even included unsuccessful tries to nullify my self-determination concerning my own body(!) – while denying this, too. Of course it was not true…
  • Confronting them with their own(!) words is considered to be nitpicking.
  • Did I mention denial?
  • ...
Yes, the last point is especially nice. Whenever I brought up some grievance… At some point I got nothing in return for my texts. No answer. For more than a month. No response. Nothing.

Now that I’m thinking about the way they treated me while denying it simultaneously (I’m always seeing it wrong, I’m on medication, nobody of them did […] or has the intention to […]), it meats the very definition of gaslighting (and now to deny this as well…).

Will continue in next entry can't type at the moment.
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Can't say much on the situation, because it's just one of those cases where I'd like to hear their side of the story before passing judgment.

Can insist on importance of personal boundaries though - in strong IRL relationships, there's usually a relatively clear cut-off point of what favors/actions/expectations one can and can't have from their friend or partner, and maintaining those is a key to healthy social contacts. Case in point, being an artist, I made it a rule to never do free art requests for my friends to avoid instances like these (after all, if they truly value me as a person, they won't mind supporting me monetarily in return).
 
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I have very minimal contact with people and society as a whole but I do keep a number of close friends in my life, otherwise, I very much prefer to be on my own.

People just disappoint me with their empty promises and always expecting me to keep my end of the bargain, no more! I live my life however I want, I have told off many people "if you don't like how I do things, you can kindly f off."
 
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There's quite a lot of this entry that resonates with me, currently, and having dealt with that kind of situation far too often already makes me more and more bitter about life in general.
I understand that feeling too well, and it's infuriating to be used by others, having to meet expectations, and not say a word about anything.
Getting older, it really becomes harder to get friends, real, genuine friends. I agree with you, too many times, people are selfish, and don't really care about your well being.

"Are you okay? Hey, can you do ..." "Why do you never call anymore?" "You should get out more" "Why are you such a sociable person yet have so few friends?"
Many examples I think you can also relate to.
I've also learned it the hard way, from my own family, mind you.
Eventually cutting people away from my life was a necessity, and it's really sad to think about it. But then I remember they probably didn't even care, and that reminded me I probably made the right choice.

It feels unpleasant to find out you go all out for everything and everyone, and most will take it for granted, this is something I really try to not do, because I believe in mutuality regarding actions and feelings.
Trust, and respect, also come with this. It's like growing older makes everyone show their true colours, and personal gains are now the only reason to be friend with anyone, that's a sad observation.
I don't even connect with that many people for the same reason you mentioned in the post. Sure there are still many, but less and less remain. Who knows, maybe they also feel the same about myself.

That being said, even in these harder times, do not lose hope, there's still a lot to look forward to. I don't sound very convinced myself, I admit.
I like to believe I have some very good friends still, many who are internet people, too, but long distance isn't a problem anymore, being friend in person doesn't automatically make it better, it simply means the people are closer in physical locations.
I also hope you will find real friendship with other people, but if you also made the decision to not get invested in this anymore, I respect that.
Better lonely but happy than surrounded and feeling trapped. I can tell the latter had applied for myself for several years now.
 
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@Pipistrele "Can't say much on the situation, because it's just one of those cases where I'd like to hear their side of the story before passing judgment."
Absolutely correct. That is my answer to any such description of a problem as well. But I can't agree on
"after all, if they truly value me as a person, they won't mind supporting me monetarily in return" → Asking a friend for a favor and they ask for money? No, thanks. In fact so-called friends tried to buy me in the past – thinking they could compensate shitty behavior and one-sided taking advantage with a fancy piece of colorful paper.

@defunct32 If you have trustworthy, close friends this is good. I'd like to have some. But I won't take any risks anymore. It is over.

@VinsCool "Getting older, it really becomes harder to get friends, real, genuine friends." The world as such has gradually changed for the worse. In my opinion it started (slowly) 2001. The year 2020 brought up the worst in humans. From my status messages:
I wish I had a big house with enough land, a high wall built around and never have to leave it again. Even shopping for groceries is hard.
I'll take the risk to be put down as arrogant/snobbish for the future: In that scenario I'd have a housemaid and she'd also do the shopping for me.

See, I'm not a greedy person wanting to be rich because of enjoying luxury. I don't need expensive things. Just… the world shall leave me alone. The less I have to see from the world, the better. → My private little oasis.
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Thank you three for the comments!
 
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While I wouldn't say I'm as cynical as you are, I'm at the point where I'm dropping my fear of others in terms of trying to express how I feel about certain things, for better or worse. Unfortunately, doing so has led to me arguing with others on this site in a way that had me wondering why do I even bother when people argue like their life depends on it. I might understand if I and the other person agreed to do a formal debate where both participants do their research and present their arguments and points with structure and all that, but that's just not how Internet debates usually work, especially in informal settings like a forum.

I just wish I didn't have this sense of alienation from others and a "normal" view of the world as opposed to the one that, while I have made improvements in my world view, events in the world as of late are making me wonder who I should really be associating with. (COVID passports that will affect whether you can buy or sell things, and its supposed to be for basically the entire world? Geez, I sure hope I can live a normal life as someone with Asperger's, get married, maybe have a kid or two or three, and die leaving a legacy any man would be proud of, but if a bunch of people just up and disappear...well, I might very well be one of them) Some of it is fear of the unknown, others of it is concern for others who I'd like to hang out with some more, and then another aspect is just my current circumstances in life that make meeting someone who might be understanding of me, my Asperger's (which shouldn't be a big concern, I'd think, but then again, I have to admit that being socially naive kind of comes with the spectrum disorder and my upbringing which isn't helping matters), and that I legit want to know the truth of things, and that just because I don't fully believe a series of books, letters, and various other documents all compiled into a book called the Bible to the letter doesn't mean I'm trying to attack one's faith or that "just want to live in sin."


I want to play games with others on this forum, have parties, watch good and bad movies with others, and just chillax in general! I just don't know if they want to do the same, especially with the kinds of games I usually end up wanting to play. *looks at fighting games, racing games, shmups, etc..*
 
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