Just want to get somthings off my mind about the wii u.

[quote name='r3gR3t' post='3761053' date='Jul 7 2011, 01:27 PM'][quote name='emigre' post='3761047' date='Jul 7 2011, 10:22 AM']The Wii U feels like Present Gen.5. It's just above PS3 power level and offers PS360 games. It doesn't seem future proof at all.[/quote]
That may be 'cause the Wii is under the PS3 and 360, so the fact that the Wii U is to be compared to PS360 makes it look 'curent gen'.
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Exactly, it feels like Ninty are releasing two consoles this generation.

[quote name='KingVamp' post='3761054' date='Jul 7 2011, 01:27 PM'][quote name='emigre' post='3761047' date='Jul 7 2011, 08:22 AM']The Wii U feels like Present Gen.5. It's just above PS3 power level and offers PS360 games. It doesn't seem future proof at all.[/quote]
50% is "just" about? Besides we really don't know the full power.

Opinions/comments aside, isn't the present the 7 generation?
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The PS3 is over four years old so being apparently 50% more powerful isn't much to shout about.

[quote name='KingVamp' post='3761054' date='Jul 7 2011, 09:27 PM'][quote name='emigre' post='3761047' date='Jul 7 2011, 08:22 AM']The Wii U feels like Present Gen.5. It's just above PS3 power level and offers PS360 games. It doesn't seem future proof at all.[/quote]
50% is "just" about? Besides we really don't know the full power.

Opinions/comments aside, isn't the present the 7 generation?
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LOL, depends when you start counting I guess... Does "pong" count as gen 1? or is it the Atari 2600?

[quote name='Shinigami357' post='3761060' date='Jul 7 2011, 03:31 PM'][quote name='KingVamp' post='3761054' date='Jul 7 2011, 09:27 PM'][quote name='emigre' post='3761047' date='Jul 7 2011, 08:22 AM']The Wii U feels like Present Gen.5. It's just above PS3 power level and offers PS360 games. It doesn't seem future proof at all.[/quote]
50% is "just" about? Besides we really don't know the full power.

Opinions/comments aside, isn't the present the 7 generation?
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LOL, depends when you start counting I guess... Does "pong" count as gen 1? or is it the Atari 2600?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_video_games

WiiU is considered "8th gen".

You guys realize the WiiU still uses Wii Remotes, right?...

So they didn't change their minds about motion controls. Also, in the tech demo, they showed how the WiiU controller could be used with motion controls (e.g. baseball).

[quote name='awssk8er' post='3761064' date='Jul 7 2011, 09:34 PM']You guys realize the WiiU still uses Wii Remotes, right?...

So they didn't change their minds about motion controls. Also, in the tech demo, they showed how the WiiU controller could be used with motion controls (e.g. baseball).[/quote]


Apparently the OP didn't... Maybe he was reading the wrong press releases... Or too many online comics...

Or something...

[quote name='Shinigami357' post='3761060' date='Jul 7 2011, 10:31 AM'][quote name='KingVamp' post='3761054' date='Jul 7 2011, 09:27 PM'][quote name='emigre' post='3761047' date='Jul 7 2011, 08:22 AM']The Wii U feels like Present Gen.5. It's just above PS3 power level and offers PS360 games. It doesn't seem future proof at all.[/quote]
50% is "just" about? Besides we really don't know the full power.

Opinions/comments aside, isn't the present the 7 generation?
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LOL, depends when you start counting I guess... Does "pong" count as gen 1? or is it the Atari 2600?
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Wii, PS3 and 360 = 7th gen

Dang, Guild McCommunist beat me to it

[quote name='emigre' post='3761059' date='Jul 7 2011, 08:30 AM']The PS3 is over four years old so being apparently 50% more powerful isn't much to shout about.[/quote]
How much are you willing to pay for the next console? How much powerful does it has to be for something to
shout about? 10 times, 20 times more power?

Do really think they will be such a jump from ps3?

[quote name='Shinigami357' post='3761060' date='Jul 7 2011, 08:31 AM']LOL, depends when you start counting I guess... Does "pong" count as gen 1? or is it the Atari 2600?[/quote]
Going by wiki , yes it is.

[quote name='KingVamp' post='3761071' date='Jul 7 2011, 03:38 PM'][quote name='emigre' post='3761059' date='Jul 7 2011, 08:30 AM']The PS3 is over four years old so being apparently 50% more powerful isn't much to shout about.[/quote]
How much are you willing to pay for the next console? How much powerful does it has to be for something to
shout about? 10 times, 20 times more power?

Do really think they will be such a jump from ps3?
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I'm sure as hell not willing to pay more than $300 for a console that'll offer the same abilities as current ones. I'd rather pay more for a console that actually looks and feels next gen, not one that feels current gen, just with a weird controller.

[quote name='Guild McCommunist' post='3761073' date='Jul 7 2011, 09:39 PM'][quote name='KingVamp' post='3761071' date='Jul 7 2011, 03:38 PM'][quote name='emigre' post='3761059' date='Jul 7 2011, 08:30 AM']The PS3 is over four years old so being apparently 50% more powerful isn't much to shout about.[/quote]
How much are you willing to pay for the next console? How much powerful does it has to be for something to
shout about? 10 times, 20 times more power?

Do really think they will be such a jump from ps3?
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I'm sure as hell not willing to pay more than $300 for a console that'll offer the same abilities as current ones. I'd rather pay more for a console that actually looks and feels next gen, not one that feels current gen, just with a weird controller.
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This this... I have to agree.

I have nothing against the controller though, it just looks like a controller with a screen. Nothing that unique to me.

Other than the controller, it seems that most can already be done on the PS3.

[quote name='Guild McCommunist' post='3761073' date='Jul 7 2011, 08:39 AM']I'm sure as hell not willing to pay more than $300 for a console that'll offer the same abilities as current ones. I'd rather pay more for a console that actually looks and feels next gen, not one that feels current gen, just with a weird controller.[/quote]
So if the ps4 doesn't "feel" like the next gen, you aren't getting it?

How can you feel that wii u is certain gen without actually having it?

You always assume the worst for Nintendo.

[quote name='Shinigami357' post='3761046' date='Jul 7 2011, 03:22 PM']So you say... Apparently your opinion overrides everyone elses? Just cause you say something is that way doesn't make it so, ok?

Also, to the point... There's no denying that the Wii, whatever your personal opinions of it might be, is indeed THE current-gen console for Nintendo. The WiiU, for all intents and purposes [speculation aside] will be their next-gen console.

Also, apparently, Sony and MS set the standard for what a "current-gen" console is... Or at least your post has such overtones.


The tl;dr version : Your opinion is yours. Don't make it sound like absolute truth to increase your e-peen size.[/quote]

If I post almost anything on this forum it's probably my opinion unless I state otherwise. I shouldn't have to say "In my opinion" every time I say anything that's my opinion. It's like if we were talking face-to-face and I said "Oranges taste bad". That's not a wide held opinion, but you can safely assume it's mine.

So instead of getting all upset over "IT'S YOUR OPINION", maybe you should give a thoughtful argument back instead of getting into a big hissy fit.

And I did say the WiiU is their next gen console, if you decided to read anything I posted in this thread. I'm saying that generations aren't defined by their tech, but by their successors and stuff.

[quote name='KingVamp' post='3761081' date='Jul 7 2011, 03:44 PM']So if the ps4 doesn't "feel" like the next gen, you aren't getting it?

How can you feel that wii u is certain gen without actually having it?

You always assume the worst for Nintendo.[/quote]

Yes, if the PS4 doesn't offer next gen graphics, next gen power, and next gen features, I won't buy it.

I'm saying the WiiU is next generation, how are you people not getting this? I'm also saying that just because it's next generation doesn't mean that it features so-called "next gen" tech and that it can still FEEL like a current generation console.

And I only assume the worst for Nintendo because they've given me nothing else. They gave us a Wii with graphics barely past last gen. They gave us a handheld with mediocre games and gimped features. Any sense of optimism I've had for them has left once I realized they're just nickel and diming everyone.

Come on, no matter how 'bad' nintendo might seem to some, there's one thing.

Nintendo has the marioz

And to cheer up the mood, and @ guild:
The Wii at least took the first step into motion control gaming. No matter how mediocre it was.

[quote name='emigre' post='3761059' date='Jul 7 2011, 02:30 PM']The PS3 is over four years old so being apparently 50% more powerful isn't much to shout about.[/quote]

Imho, being 50% more powerful and < 1/4 of the size is.

[quote name='Guild McCommunist' post='3761083' date='Jul 7 2011, 08:46 AM'][quote name='KingVamp' post='3761081' date='Jul 7 2011, 03:44 PM']So if the ps4 doesn't "feel" like the next gen, you aren't getting it?

How can you feel that wii u is certain gen without actually having it?

You always assume the worst for Nintendo.[/quote]

Yes, if the PS4 doesn't offer next gen graphics, next gen power, and next gen features, I won't buy it.

I'm saying the WiiU is next generation, how are you people not getting this? I'm also saying that just because it's next generation doesn't mean that it features so-called "next gen" tech and that it can still FEEL like a current generation console.

And I only assume the worst for Nintendo because they've given me nothing else. They gave us a Wii with graphics barely past last gen. They gave us a handheld with mediocre games and gimped features. Any sense of optimism I've had for them has left once I realized they're just nickel and diming everyone.
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What do you think you can do with ps4 differently than the ps3 other than better graphics.
Anything they think of outside that will be cast out as just gimmicks(negative way).

What ps4 would be so much better because of lighting and slight details? "OMG!!! Looks how rough the rocks feel and look at the light and shadows!!"

Really? Seriously?

Handheld is getting good games and have nice features. I didn't see you point. Maybe blind by eye candy.

They try to come up with something new and they just nickel and diming people?

What in the world are you looking for? What do you think Sony will come up with that doesn't look gimmicky to you?

Shoot even at this point, this "we have more power" is starting to sound gimmicky.

Maybe Nintendo show just throw out a console with all 2012 tech and be like "price? it your problem".

[quote name='KingVamp' post='3761107' date='Jul 7 2011, 03:01 PM']What do you think you can do with ps4 differently than the ps3 other than better graphics.
Anything they think of outside that will be cast out as just gimmicks(negative way).

What ps4 would be so much better because of lighting and slight details? "OMG!!! Looks how rough the rocks feel and look at the light and shadows!!"

Really? Seriously?

Handheld is getting good games and have nice features. I didn't see you point. Maybe blind by eye candy.

What in the world are you looking for? What do you think Sony will come up with that doesn't look gimmicky?[/quote]

There's more to graphics than things just looking better. At some point I just got fed up with Wii games honestly looking as bad as they did. Call me a "graphics whore" but I want my games to look really good. I want them to have great graphics so they can feed great art style, feed great presentation, and feed immersion into the game. You think Red Dead Redemption would be half as good if it looked like it was on the PS2 and there was always "fog" to limit the render distance? No, it wouldn't. It had good gameplay and everything but the graphics, the expanse of terrain, and the detail of it all made the game feel more than just a standard open world game.

So what do I want on the PS4? Better graphics, more power (more power so my games can do more than before), and better features. It's what Sony has done since the PSX days and I don't think its failed them. The PS2 is basically more power, better graphics, and better features than the original Playstation but its considered by many to be the best console ever made.

The only decent games on the 3DS (not turning this into a debate thread) are mostly remakes or just way too similar to what they have currently. And the fact that people think it's fine to pay $40 for all this is baffling. By the time the good games come out this holiday season, guess what, the Vita's already out. Sorry Nintendo, you missed your window for me.

The Wii and DS, albeit more than solid consoles, have created a fanbase that honestly annoys me to hell. They've created people so into this notion of "innovation" that if anything doesn't feature what they consider "innovation", it's considered "outdated" or "bad" or "more of the same". It's sad that people expect their consoles to be a Rube Goldberg machine instead of something that can actually play solid games. The best games I've played I've played with a pretty standard control scheme.

If the WiiU was announced and basically had a controller similar to the PS3/Xbox 360 one, I bet people would start saying that Nintendo are geniuses for some other reason.

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[quote name='KingVamp' post='3761107' date='Jul 7 2011, 03:01 PM']They try to come up with something new and they just nickel and diming people?

What in the world are you looking for? What do you think Sony will come up with that doesn't look gimmicky to you?

Shoot even at this point, this "we have more power" is starting to sound gimmicky.

Maybe Nintendo show just throw out a console with all 2012 tech and be like "price? it your problem".[/quote]

I'm saying they're nickel and diming us by releasing half-assed games and making us pay full price for them. Anything in that "Wii ____" line-up is crap and way too expensive for what it offers.

"More power" is gimmicky now? That's honestly the dumbest thing I've heard in a while. It seems like now you're just trying to say Nintendo is not gimmicky and trying to peg everyone who tries to stay to a more traditional route "gimmicky".

People are willing to pay $1000+ for a great gaming computer that has probably the same lifespan as a console but when people are forced to pay over $300 for a console they consider it a "travesty". I think Nintendo are beginning to realize they can sell stuff at a price that's higher than what they offered on the Wii and people will still buy it. The 3DS launched for a relatively high price compared to other Nintendo consoles but people still bought it and it does decently on the charts.

Perhaps we should ask Guild how a next-gen console should "FEEL" like. Up to the moment I read this, I didn't even know a console had to "FEEL" like something.

[quote name='KingVamp' post='3761107' date='Jul 7 2011, 11:01 AM'][quote name='Guild McCommunist' post='3761083' date='Jul 7 2011, 08:46 AM'][quote name='KingVamp' post='3761081' date='Jul 7 2011, 03:44 PM']So if the ps4 doesn't "feel" like the next gen, you aren't getting it?

How can you feel that wii u is certain gen without actually having it?

You always assume the worst for Nintendo.[/quote]

Yes, if the PS4 doesn't offer next gen graphics, next gen power, and next gen features, I won't buy it.

I'm saying the WiiU is next generation, how are you people not getting this? I'm also saying that just because it's next generation doesn't mean that it features so-called "next gen" tech and that it can still FEEL like a current generation console.

And I only assume the worst for Nintendo because they've given me nothing else. They gave us a Wii with graphics barely past last gen. They gave us a handheld with mediocre games and gimped features. Any sense of optimism I've had for them has left once I realized they're just nickel and diming everyone.
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What do you think you can do with ps4 differently than the ps3 other than better graphics.
Anything they think of outside that will be cast out as just gimmicks(negative way).

What ps4 would be so much better because of lighting and slight details? "OMG!!! Looks how rough the rocks feel and look at the light and shadows!!"

Really? Seriously?

Handheld is getting good games and have nice features. I didn't see you point. Maybe blind by eye candy.

They try to come up with something new and they just nickel and diming people?

What in the world are you looking for? What do you think Sony will come up with that doesn't look gimmicky to you?

Shoot even at this point, this "we have more power" is starting to sound gimmicky.

Maybe Nintendo show just throw out a console with all 2012 tech and be like "price? it your problem".
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That's because all gaming companies are only looking for a selling point for their new consoles. TBH, I've never bought a console (be it handheld or not) because of just how powerfull it may be, nor because it's graphics. I buy a console when a game I REALLY want to play comes out

[quote name='Shinigami357' post='3761136' date='Jul 7 2011, 03:26 PM']Perhaps we should ask Guild how a next-gen console should "FEEL" like. Up to the moment I read this, I didn't even know a console had to "FEEL" like something.[/quote]

It should have graphics that look advanced, not like the current gen, and have enough power for games that are beyond what the current ones can do. It should also integrate new features that current ones aren't able to do (it's really up for the companies to make something new). For me at least, it requires more than just a new controller and slightly better graphics (I expect things to be like the PS2-PS3 gap).

nintendo's refusal to change is my main concern for the wii-u. if they don't care about third-party support anymore, then they're going to have one failure after another which has proven to be the case. with the cube and the wii, I was ready to buy them on day 1, but I will hold off on the wii-u. in my opinion, the wii has one of the worst collections of titles I've ever seen. a few diamonds in the rough amid a huge pile of garbage is not enough to get me to buy a system.

[quote name='Guild McCommunist' post='3761118' date='Jul 7 2011, 11:12 AM']"More power" is gimmicky now? That's honestly the dumbest thing I've heard in a while. It seems like now you're just trying to say Nintendo is not gimmicky and trying to peg everyone who tries to stay to a more traditional route "gimmicky".[/quote]
Yes, it is. That's he whole ''gimmick'' behind the whole PS line up, IMO.

[quote name='Shinigami357' post='3761136' date='Jul 7 2011, 11:26 AM']Perhaps we should ask Guild how a next-gen console should "FEEL" like. Up to the moment I read this, I didn't even know a console had to "FEEL" like something.[/quote]
I think he means that it LOOKS just like the Wii, just with a new controler. What I understood about his comment is that new gens always bring a more technologycal look than it's predecesor console, i.e. the PS looks WAY more tech-y than the original PSX.