I wonder if "new age liberal" (zero discipline) parent's children actually feel loved?

This has been bugging me for a while. You have heard the stories of kids who persistently act out yet their parents pretend not to notice or just don't care. I wonder if the kids act out because their parents treat them just the same no matter if the kids have done things they actually realize to be "good" or "bad" - and so have come to the conclusion that their parents don't give a flying fuck if they are good or bad, and are desperately trying to find a limit to their parent's indifference.

That who new age whatever parenting theory is shit. Sure it may be possible to raise a child without punishing them significantly, but you still need to teach your children the basics of understanding right and wrong - the kids won't pick it up on their own if they do not understand what to look for, sort of like trying to copy a painting despite being color blind
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I did once see a study where some babies in an orphanage were given attention on a fixed schedule rather than when they cried.
The babies did not do that well, though apparently recovered when response to action happened.
I don't know what goes with later life though.

Also as others mentioned it is hardly a new thing
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29518319
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@Memoir Maybe not in some places, but in many places it counts as abuse. Far be it from me to try to change the mind of inhabitants of a country where this is considered OK that it isn't, but I still don't agree with it. At least Norway has sensible laws when it comes to that.
 
Depends on the severity of it. You go bare ass, all bets are off and you should be fitted for some cement shoes.
 
Bad parents have always been a thing and will always be a thing. Kids being little shits isn't their fault. It's their parents fault for not teaching them how to behave. They never learned that actions have negative consequences. They understand that if they act out enough they end up getting their way. (that is what a tantrum is) Disciple, guidance, understand are the tools that children need. The problem is too many parents are

A. too soft so their kids walk over them.
B. Rather be their friend then parent.
C. Are just lazy and would rather let TV do it all. - This was my parents
 
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I think punishments are necessary in the education of a child.
Without them, the child thinks he can break the rules and is bound to be chocked when he will discover real world.

I'm not promoting parents who tortures their child, but a slap has never killed someone...
 
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Children aren't taught respect. Thats the main thing. Disrespectful children grow into disrespectful adults. It doesn't take beating, but parents do have to project themselves in an authoritative fashion and not try to be their child's buddy as Berto put it. Most people nowadays want kids so they can play mommy and daddy. They want little people they can dress up and play with like pets. Those people simply aren't prepared to have children.

There's a difference between wanting a child and wanting to be a parent.
 
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not necessarily wiping out the belt, let no one cling to that, but actually punishing them at all is the issue
 
I've lived the torture of being punished and co. over things I couldn't control and that weren't my fault. Because I am ADHD and Asperger's and my parents didn't know about that. Also whenever something heppened at school I was the culprit.
I was also punished for having fairly good marks. Yay.
 
Sometimes, education has to be given the hard way, something some parents never do anymore. The children eventually grow up unaware of basic respect notions. I wish I could slap them sometimes.
 
@StarTrekVoyager if your parents were unable teach you respect and basic life advices, or if they were too dumb to know how to be parents, or if they indeed abused their parental powers, then yes, I agree with you.
 
It is the latter, yes. I have lived nightmares because of them. Like doing shit and putting the blame on me, or trying to make me angry so I do something wrong and they can yell at me.
 

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