Circular reasoning can be extremly dangerous

The first part is a little theoretical. I try keep it as short as possible – but nevertheless the text is quite long.
If you’re interested in mathematics, computer science or rhetoric you should have heard about a logical fallacy named “circular reasoning” or “circulus in probando” (took that straight from Wikipedia)
It is a form of wrong conclusion, where someone tries to “proof” a statement with other statements, that already assume the first to be true – equivalent statements. A⟺B. You could also say, parts of the statement you want to proof are used as prerequisites. Sounds complex if you’re not familiar with math, but is easily understood with (non-math) examples:

The Bible is the Word of God because it’s written in the Bible: “But abide thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them.” from wikisource

The Bible is the Word of God because it’s written in the Bible that it is the Word of God.

This is a matter of faith. You believe it or you don’t. May be true or false. But it is no proof.

Asbestos is fire-resistant because you can’t inflame it.

This is true. But the second half of the sentence means the same as the first part. So this is not a proof for the first statement.

These examples are easy to uncover as stupid. But there may be many intermediate steps, so one can not spot the problem as fast: A⟹B⟹C⟹A.
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Okay, Sina, enough with the boring theory! Is this a logic class? What does this have to do with your life anyway? Maybe these circles are annoying, when you try to proof a mathematical theorem and make foolish mistakes. It has nothing to do with everyday life, so stop it!
These preliminary remarks are necessary because I need them for the main part of my blog post. Just kidding.
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I wanted to introduce this form of logical error, because it can be dangerous if used by people with power! If some people have the privilege to interpret a situation and their word is treated like the Word of God. It almost killed me – no exaggeration. Yes, that’s right. It almost costed my life. Circulus in probando can be used to ruin someones life – if used by a psychiatrist.

“You have to take these drugs!”

“No! I do not want them. They are not good for me. They hurt my brain.”
“You have to take these drugs, because you’re very ill.”
“No. I’m not very ill. The drugs make me feel bad and tired and I can’t think properly.”
“You can’t judge your own situation, because you’re ill.”
“Why do you insist upon me being ill?”
“Your behavior shows this. Now take your medicine.”
“How can you call something that makes me feel so bad medicine?”
“Because it’s going to help you.”
“I don’t feel any better since you gave me more and more drugs, I feel worse!”
“You will feel better – it will help because it’s medicine. It takes time. You can’t judge this, because you’re ill.”
“I want to leave this place. You’re harming me.”
“No. I’m not harming you.”
“Yes you are.”
“No.”
“Yes.”
“No, because I’m a doctor. I’m gonna help you. Doctors help. They do no harm.
“I want to leave now.”
“You can’t leave, because you’re sick and now stop arguing and take your medicine or I’ll have to call some nurses.”

There you have it: Countless times circular reasoning. Recited like a mantra.

1 Taking the drugs.
2 Situation gets worse.
3 Doctors say: “Still not better? We’ll have to increase the dose!”
4 GOTO 1

If was a self-energizing process, once started almost impossible to stop, because one thing was never considered: Errare human est – to err is human. I found this brilliant longer quote on Wiktionary:
"Errare humanum est, sed perseverare diabolicum."
"To err is human, but to persist in error (out of pride) is diabolical."
Bull’s eye!

Franz Kafka couldn’t have come up with a more disturbing plot. In retrospekt it looks truely kafkaesque.

Homework:
Argue sensible against these doctors while you’re constantly intoxicated and only 14 years old – get out of the endless loop. Anything you say can and will be used against you!
Two teenage boys were talking to each other in the bus.
Boy1: “I got a new smartphone!!” (Android)
Boy2: “Coooool!!”
Boy1: “Yeah. But now I have to type in all my contacts. Tedious.”
Boy2: “Send yourself all contacts with WhatsApp messages.”
Boy1: “I don’t have a second SIM-card.”
I know literally nothing about smartphones. I don’t have one, I don’t need one. But one thing I did know immediately: These boys are dumb. Even a cellphone from the 90s can export contacts to the SIM-card. A full-fledged computer must be able to export any data you store on it – in the worst case to a Google server. So when I got home I typed into the search engine: “Android transfer contacts.” and was overrun by helpful search results.
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Okay, Sina, enough with the boring theory! Is this a logic class? What does this have to do with your life anyway? Maybe these circles are annoying, when you try to proof a mathematical theorem and make foolish mistakes. It has nothing to do with everyday life, so stop it!
These preliminary remarks are necessary because I need them for the main part of my blog post. Just kidding.
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1)
It´s ok to make mistakes, but there are limits that shouldn´t be crossed while at it. Once you cross them, there's no way back.
There are "sins" that I forgive, and sins that simply cross the line.
Thus, making mistakes is ok, as long as you acknowledge and amend the mistake.

2)
Circulus in probando proves nothing as that´s a basic tool for manipulating your views on others, such as you citing words from religious texts and proving your points on them.

"To err is human, but to persist in error (out of pride) is diabolical."
 
Yes, religion, the master of circular logic, and self-evidence. "My religion is the rigjt one!" "How do you know?" "It says so in my holy book!"
 
Was that last conversation an actual conversation you overheard?
Seems like a common thing that people don't know how to transfer contacts from their old phone, whether that old phone is a smartphone or not.
 
I see it on internet forums and chatrooms whenever the subject of religion comes up. Another one I like, while not necessarily circular logic is the old "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" the statement, while technically true, imagine if it was used in court: "we couldn't find any compelling evidence that you commited the crime, but you also couldn't prove that you were innocent, so we're locking you up just in case"
 
@The Real Jdbye : Yes, it was an actual conversation. Why is that a piece of Idiocracy? Not knowing a thing is not stupid. Not thinking about a problem is stupid.
These boys are so-called digital-natives (stupid word) and did not think about using a search engine. They are using a device with an operating system made by Google and did not have the idea to ask Google.

But that is not all: Recently my mum bought a smartphone. In the setup-process it literally asked: “Do you want to import contacts from another Android device?”

No further comment.
 
Circular reasoning is only dangerous because circular reasoning is dangerous. If circular reasoning wasn't dangerous, then circular reasoning wouldn't be dangerous.

Duh.
 
I think the setup only imports from your google account. But if you never had syncing contacts enabled in the first place or they weren't linked to the google account then they wouldn't be there.
 
Okay. As I already said: I know nothing about Android. It's my mum's first smartphone; so this the feature was not interesting for us. We transferred the contacts from her old phone with the sim. Took less than two minutes.
The boys did not look like they would care for privacy settings... and even if the sync was not activated, his old phone was still there. He had both devices with him. He could have simply turned the sync on at home using WiFi (or used search to find a solution).
 
I don't know that the doctor stuff is an example of circular reasoning. While I have certainly seen my share of suspect calls, overmedication and people taking badly to side effects from meds I am not prepared to dismiss the setup. Similarly I don't know the specifics of this case but if I have what was said there then I am not going to dismiss their medical opinion either.

" “How can you call something that makes me feel so bad medicine?”"
Short term pain for long term better outcome. It is a well known concept in medicine and likely will be true for some time to come.
 
@FAST6191 I have to accept your opinion although it hurts to read something like this (again).

A better description is “short term pain for long term even worse pain”. The “medical opinion” was extremely wrong. This possibility was never taken into account. The fact is, I did not have what they said. It was a lie, a defamation. Therefore their arguments were invalid from the beginning. It may sound arrogant, but it is true: I was right and judged better than the doctors!

But doctors are beyond doubt and do not make mistakes. It was an attitude of blind trust into the doctors’ ability to judge the situation that almost costed my life – until my parents finally disagreed with the opinion you expressed – because it got more and more obvious what would be the ultimate result.

I ditched the drugs form one day to the other – it was like hell. It took months to get rid of the most aftereffects. In the end it got better without the “short term pain”. I’ve never fully recovered though and have severe problems with concentration.
 
Lies and defamation would be something different to an incorrect diagnosis. If a lie was told about the diagnosis then than would be malpractice which is even worse.

If indeed you were incorrectly diagnosed and, worse still, medicated with some of the fairly potent chemicals that are commonly used to treat conditions, then I am glad you have now got past it.
From what was said in the opening post though I did not see anything I would necessarily want to go for those things for though.

Doctors are not infallible, there is a reason we have the well known term of "second opinion".
 

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