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Great post Ace, nicely tied in with prince of persia lol. I haven't played the game but I recently watched the sands of time movie

EDIT: Excuse me but I believe I just misread assassins creed for prince of persia. What a horrible mistake LOL

One more thing, I just wanted to clarify about my post though (in case anyone misunderstood) when I said mental problem, I didn't quite mean it in the way we typically use that phrase (ie. a clinically diagnosed problem). What I wanted to get across was that something is not quite right (not necessarily crazy or anything).

This could easily be something that has been conditioned from their past, ie. their family or classmates or whoever has mistreated them to the point in which they lose self-value, or perhaps they have gone through a traumatizing experience which has changed the way they think and feel.

I really hope that all the tempers here today, have the strength to overcome any mental challenges that may come their way (such as suicide).

couple of things... apologies if it's rather disjointed (I couldn't be bothered to work on phrasing things better)

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High suicide rates in todays society might be a reflection that life isn't as simple as it used to be. People are preoccupied with a lot of unimportant shit.

Think about our ancestors - their life wasn't about money, careers, drugs, marriage (to some degree) and all the shit that is in today's society. In fact, their prime motivation for most things was survival! (as opposed to the death that suicide brings).
- If they needed food, theyd just go out and hunt shit, they didn't need to work long hours to get a meal
- If they wanted entertainment/acceptance, they did the raw human activities, sex, dance, rituals and all that shit, not drugs and alcohol or whatever.
- Partners had to treat each other well, for the sake of the community, to get food, again because their goal was survival. Exclusivity wasn't necessary. Men probably had a lot more sex (lol).

It's not exactly that we as humans have changed (we have always been selfish creatures), but the way we respond to our world seems to have changed for the worse

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By nature we are truly selfish beings... so you can't really fault someone for not thinking about the people around them when they commit suicide. That being said, suicide is a very strange and horrid thing. Surely anyone who commits the act must have some kind of mental problem - whether that be a tendency to focus on negative things, whether they don't feel important or whatever. I consider that a serious problem. The only time I can see suicide as acceptable is when the person is under an intense physical or mental pain such as torture or disease. These kinds of circumstances are rare and push us past our normal frame of mind, even to radical decisions.
However, if people consider their lives to be in intense pain due to social issues etc, they cannot be equally treated. This kind of situation reflects mental instability, as in their situation most people would grit through it or try and make changes to improve their life. We are naturally RISK AVERSE, and suicide is a big risk!


Perhaps the decision process or suicide could be displayed as a decision process tree (too lazy to draw, so i numbered). To progress down the tree at each point becomes less likely to occur.

1. Living

2. Life isn't going well (subjectively), what should I do?
I work on it and things get better (go back to 1.)
I work on it and things stay bad (go to 3.)
I'm to weak/lazy to make an effort (go to 3.)

3. I can commit suicide, but I don't know what will happen after I die (the unknown).
I don't take the chance as with the majority of humans (go back to 1.)
I'm mentally incapable of considering the possible consequences of death (commits suicide)
I have a religious or personal belief that death will be better than life (commits suicide)


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I really hate when people who suffer minor problems even suggest the idea of suicide (whether they had really contemplated it or not). I know one girl like this who often overdramatizes small issues and fights in her life. Coincidentally she herself lost someone close through suicide, and it was very traumatising to her. It's strange though, I feel like if I was in her position of losing someone through suicide, after enduring the pain I'm almost certain that I would be extremely against the entire notion.

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Everyone dies one day. Even if there is a better afterlife, is it really such a good idea to cut short your current life in chase of the unknown. Even if you are suffering, maybe that will help you to better appreciate the afterlife, or to learn from it.




Great quote, thank you Ace.. That's the kinda thing I could really see gettin through to someone with suicidal thoughts.

Love it!

Once or twice around when I was hitting puberty, same with my brothers I think (never my sister).

It was my dad who did it. It wasn't just for casual swearing though, but for heated arguments in which swearing was involved, and only if he really snapped.

It was a fairly horrid experience, having a bar forcefully shoved in your mouth when you're crying anger and arguing. In his defence though, he always apologized after realizing he went to far (i.e. we were obviously rather upset afterwards).

I don't think I would have the heart to do it to my own children, but I respect that in some cases corporal punishment is the only solution to instill certain values and understanding within children. Particularly in my own faimly's case, we are all rather stubborn individuals (especially when it comes to arguments, it's typically a never give in situation). And I feel proud that I wasn't a spoiled brat.

If I were to choose and use a punishment (I'm sure I will one day), I would prefer a less invasive method (the mouth is too sensitive/private an area), such as spanking or something more mentally effective.



This I feel has gone past normal boundaries (especially the perfume one, that seems dangerous) I really hope this doesn't reflect to much on the rest of your childhood my temp brother.

1. Get HDs at uni (got Ds this sem).
2. Get chicks/sex (been months!!!)