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So I take it these folks are much more trustworthy than yourself? Anyways, for those who would like to read the above in its entire context see http://hackmii.com/2010/05/of_homebrew_and_antipiracy/

Wow...STFU already? I didn't think we were allowed to say such things around here. But I guess you'd know more about that than me.

Anyways, as you can clearly see, but you fail to mention, that post is regarding them not wanting to decide what apps are 'gray' when it comes to piracy enabling apps. Nothing to do with whitelisting in the context I've used it, 'noob proofing' homebrew. And of course, that post was written over 3 months ago. Didn't something significant happen between then and now, like umm...HBC 1.0.8? And didn't they, since then, start deciding what apps we 'should' be running by removing certain ones they thought we 'shouldn't' be running from their website? Granted, we can still obtain and run them, but they're sending a very clear fucking message. They'd like to see cIOS's as a thing of the past. And they've taken a small step in pushing that forward. FFS...did you really miss all of that? No, of course not. You're just another perfect example of the type of people I was describing. Again, their recent actions aren't 'anti-piracy' per se, otherwise they wouldn't still have all the emulators on their site, which with very few exceptions, are all being used with illegal ROMs. But you and the others keep trying to frame this in the only way you know how, which is as an 'anti-piracy' issue, I guess because you think you can 'win' that argument. You're doing all of us a great service.

BTW, thanks for pointing out the article. One thing it does do is put to rest the notion that TT couldn't, if they so chose, determine what apps can or cannot run on HBC. And another thing it does is clearly spell out their attempts to contact Nintendo to help them secure their system against piracy. So, hopefully that'll put an end to the 'conspiracy crap' suggesting it'd be very, very hard if not impossible to control what runs on HBC as well as the 'they don't care about piracy' nonsense.

HBC 'phones home' every time it is run and the list could be maintained on their end. It's not like there are hundreds or thousands of Wii apps being released every day or even every month, which would make maintaining the list impossible or even very difficult, especially given all the free time they'd have after being freed up from having to deal with noobs bricking their Wiis by running 'unsavory' apps. And as I said, many PC AV/malware apps using whitelisting don't necessarily automatically deny you the opportunity to run any app not on the whitelist. You are given information about what doesn't jive and informed of the possible dangers and then asked what you'd like to do.


No, when someone mentioned that blacklisting would be very difficult or impossible, giving the reasons you just did (was it you?), I brought up whitelisting. So, nope, not talking about myself, but perhaps I was talking about you, because whitelisting is what I said and what I meant.

And as I said, if you AGREE with TT's GOALS, then the apps that were removed are unnecessary. One of those GOALS being to allow homebrew to run on the Wii without the need for cIOS's. In this context, a 'goal' is something you are trying to achieve, not something that you already have. So, their goal is to be able for someone to take a 'virgin' Wii, install their app and then be able to run homebrew on that Wii, without ever having to touch a cIOS. NONE of the apps that were removed from wiibrew are necessary in achieving this goal. Whether or not those behind coding those apps or any others decide to change their apps to FIT IN with the goals of TT is their choice.

Legit backups of your games? Show me a country's laws that clearly shows there is even such a thing, because it certainly isn't America nor many of the other countries where the term 'legit backup' is freely bandied about. Either way, I never said cIOS's were going to die, today or tomorrow. In fact, I don't think they'll ever die because not everyone is TT and not everyone agrees with their goals.

Since when does 'whitelisting' = being locked out of HBC?

Haven't TT essentially stated, repeatedly, that everything they're doing is to help 'noob proof' homebrew on the Wii? If that is indeed their goal, they why in the hell wouldn't they implement some sort of whitelisting? What in the hell have the anti-malware/virus companies done in order to protect idiots who'll run anything on their PC's? EXACTLY the same thing. There's not even anything inherently wrong with it (shit! people actually PAY for it) and if common sense prevailed around here and you were in agreement with TT's goals, then it'd acually be something you'd be requesting. So why everyone gets upset when the idea gets mentioned is beyond me. Again, whitelisting DOES NOT equal 'locking you out of HBC because of what you have installed', just like the PC AV apps that implement it don't lock you out of your fucking PC either. They simply inform you that the particular application you're about to run could possibly be dangerous for one or more reasons, and then they let you decide whether you still want to run it or not. Of course, TT could decide to not give you that choice, but so what. Everyone I've seen getting defensive over mentioning whitelisting oddly appears to support the decision to remove all the 'unapproved' apps from wiibrew, so you must agree that they are apps that people don't need to be running on their Wiis, so why not help ensure that with more proactive means? You people are reading way too fucking much into this simple idea of whitelisting apps.

That's the fucking problem, people can't read or they can but they still choose to misrepresent what's actually been said, erecting their strawmen 'rumours'. So, the only real thing you have to 'fear' is idiots who can't read or who can, but for whatever reasons, choose to twist words instead.

Appreciate the info.

http://wiibrew.org/wiki/IOS



Whut? But I thought...oh nevermind.