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Discussion in 'Switch - Hacking & Homebrew' started by warnings, Dec 3, 2017.

  1. V-Temp

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    This whole notion of keeping kids with downgraded systems is just a recipe for disaster if they ever (and they will) try to take it online. They'll either unintentionally update it or they'll get your console a good-old-fashioned permanent ban from any servers.

    In general, foregoing the entire internet with your device and the ever growing number of multiplayer games feels like it defeats the purpose of the system to a large degree.

    Aside from some enormous desire to spend 300$ and to then await software piracy, it'd be easier to just get a Switch for Switch purposes and one of a million devices with (willingly) unlocked bootloaders and full kernel dumps (or get two Switches :yayswitch:).
     
  2. SG854

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    Because you keep quoting me.

    You also said this directing it at me.
    Does seem like you were involving me. Notice the word in bold YOU.
    And who ever told you I wanted to stick with my non portable devices to play emulators? A portable one for good quality emu would be nice.

    Also for your post #100.
    Who said updating the system means I don't care about homebrew?
    Im updating but I would be nice for someone to find an exploit on the latest firmware so I can get homebrew.
     
  3. TheCyberQuake

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    Go back, you quoted me first with a claim against my point. Because you were debating against me I assumed you were against my whole point.
    I also never said anything about non-portable devices, don't know where you got that from. I mentioned the nvidia shield portable, which as the name implies is portable
     
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  4. TheCyberQuake

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    Don't even need unlocked bootloader for most devices to use emulators. Android supports then natively through the play store.
     
  5. TheCyberQuake

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    Also You in there direct to you. It couldn't be because I don't know what devices you have. It was a general you being used more as "someone" rather than a direct person
     
  6. SG854

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    I quoted Jayro then you quoted me first.

    Then I said having more options to play emu with the switch would be nice. With this comment.

    Then you said this.
    Notice the words in bold. You did involve me assuming I bought a $300 console and not updating just to play emu on it.
    Then I told you I wasn't going to stick with 3.0.0.

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    Well I don't know that. You weren't clear on that, so I don't know what you mean if your not clear, which is why I responded the way I did.

    Also who's to say I own a switch? You don't know what I own, yet you said I bought a switch. So it seemed to me you were directing your comments at me. Again which is why I responded the way I did.
     
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  7. Don Jon

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    general rule of thumb, never update.
    specially when devs have said it
     
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    General rule of thumb. You pay for the device. Do what you want.
     
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  9. TheCyberQuake

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    That only applies when you care about homebrew and don't mind the negative aspects of staying on lower firmware. The positive being userland homebrew, and based on what I've seen in these threads that's mostly only emulators. The downside is not playing anything other than a set list of fewer than 30 games, no online, no new features in newer firmware.
    And seemshow you like to go by what the devs say you should also know they said is unlikely you'll ever play newer games on 3.0.0. So you may be permanently stuck with only those games until an exploit comes for newer firmware. Which given the current status of most devs only being interested in 3.0.0 may be a long while. It's not impossible, but it's unlikely.
    For those of us who bought a switch to be a switch first, we update to actually enjoy the system. If an exploit comes later, great. If not I'll still enjoy my system for what I purchased it for: playing official games
    Oh, and if you are holding out for piracy it will still not be worth it. At most you'll be pirating from that set list I mentioned earlier because you still won't be able to play the newer games.
     
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    Hmm, I must have been confused then. Difficult to keep track of conversations on tapatalk. I apologize.
     
  11. Thirty3Three

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    It won't take "Years". This is false info. >.>
     
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  12. TheCyberQuake

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    I hate when people say "homebrew will take years". We already have arbitrary code execution. Give it another about 2 months and we'll have graphical homebrew.
     
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    THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING! I agree completely!! The people saying, "It will take YEARS" are ignorant and have absolutely no knowledge of this stuff at ALL.
     
  14. TheCyberQuake

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    Maybe they mean homebrew as in cfw and playing 3.0.1+ games on a homebrew-compatible firmware (which is currently only 3.0.0). But that's not what homebrew generally means to most people. If it is what they meant then I could probably agree.
     
  15. PossiblyOne

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    Just let the son make the decision.
     
  16. SG854

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    No problem. I knew you were in the wrong so I was just messing with you.
     
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    Slightly off-topic but, I have the sneaking suspicion that the OP is the kid. Would explain the relative lack of grammar.

    But back on-topic, unless if the kid's M.O. is to get homebrew (which won't be out until a few months at least) then let him know that updating the Switch to play Mario will at this time prevent him from accessing said homebrew, but probably not forever. Otherwise, if he just wants to play the game then let him update it. Kids can get impatient waiting, so don't keep him waiting possibly months or more to play his game until another exploit comes up.
     
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    Here are a few of the concepts most people dont seem to quite grasp:

    - forced firmware updates, firmare updates to be able to access an online service ecosystem, firmware updates to be able to access a store eco system, you cant blame homebrew devs for. Companies like for you not to be able to own the hardware you buy, so that constant feed of "lock in" mechanics is designed for that purpose and almost "for that purpose only". (In the PC ecosystem where open hardware is a standard, forced firmware updates dont exist. Its the same in the Android world (to an extend).)

    - instant gratification vs delayed gratification is not something the human mind (much less the impuls driven decision making of a minor) can handle very well.

    - telling folks out there which firmware versions are exploitable as of now - serves the purpose of allowing those who are interested to stay on a lower version, while homebrew environments are developed, to do just that. Its not a "tease" or something "unfair" to keep people from plaing the latest games, it literally just signaling what the entry points are - while the software is developed. Which takes time. And a certain mindset, to not sell out exploits to Nintendo right away, because they pay bug bounties.

    - Buying "an android device for emulation" defeats the purpose of wanting Switch Hardware to run homebrew. In the package with those kinds of usable controllers, a portable tegra chip, easy docking capability - and the pricepoint, those "Android Devices" dont exist on the market. Also the beauty of having a dedicated homebrew system that a scene supports is, that software gets optimized for that device.

    If all you can think about is to complain, that you "only" will be able to probably play every PSX and many DC games in existance - watch a few more Mario commercials, and update away for your pressing "multiplayer needs", no one is holding you back. This is the "contract", layed out by the ramifications of systems that are designed to be "online", to make you buy services and to disallow you to play current games, if you want to use them for any other purpose. And if you still come to grasp with this world, let it be known, that this is designed for the purpose of squandering the attractiveness of "really owning your device". (Being able to decide between updating and playing the latest games, and not updating and playing homebrew is not an "empowering" ownership decision either. Its giving in to the designed ecosystem of never being able to run what you want on that system. (First in userland, later - maybe - even in a su environment.))
     
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  19. TheCyberQuake

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    A couple things I have to say for this post:
    1. Windows does force updates to an extent now. Also many software that use online services (such as a multiplayer game) do require updates for full functionality. PC games use DRM to try to lock them down. PC is more open, but there are several parts, especially in terms of gaming, where the devs try to close it off and lock it down. Consoles have had closed ecosystems since they began. They've just changed methods of doing so as better and more secure ways have come out. Even nes had the lockout chip. If you don't agree with that then don't buy the console. You own the hardware, but you don't own the OS or software.

    2. For those arguing for updating it isn't because of instant vs delayed gratification. It's being realistic. Devs have stated it's unlikely you'll ever play 3.0.1+ games on 3.0.0. And without that for most people basic homebrew won't be worth it when we get that. Most people bought the switch to be a switch, not an emulation machine. If they could use homebrew without hindering standard switch use then they would, but homebrew is a secondary thing for some.

    3. $200 got me a nvidia shield portable, which had a Tegra chip and built in controller. Powerful enough to handle most emulators. And emulators run natively without exploits. So I honestly have no clue what you mean by "those android devices don't exist in the market".

    4. I can play "only" all psx games on my shield portable. The switch isn't the only thing that may be able to run them. I even played psp on it without problem.

    5. Most people buy a console knowing they won't have full controll over it. If you want to control over your device don't buy a console. Android can run homebrew if you make an apk and install it. If you get a device with an unlockable bootloader you can also easily change the OS on it.

    Really if you are that displeased with the closed nature of consoles just don't buy them. Get a laptop or an android device.
     
  20. the_randomizer

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    Let me just say this, in my opinion, I don't see there being any viably hackable firmware, or at least, nothing coming to fruition for the next several months. People either have crystal balls or are making wild guesses, well, that's all well and good, but maybe people shouldn't freak out every time a firmware update is released? Just a thought.

    Whatever happened to logic and levelheadedness?