Why the 3DS can't be downgraded on 11.4 "For Dummies" (A simple explanation for the rest of us)

Discussion in '3DS - Flashcards & Custom Firmwares' started by Swiftloke, Sep 11, 2016.

  1. Gitaroo

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    Hi, got luma8.1 on my 3ds but my fw is still on 11.2. So there is no reason to upgrade my fw to 11.4? I only use freeshop to update games, which I believe is dead now? GBA injector and I think that is all since the old 3ds is too weak for emulators and I am not sure what other homebrew worth checking out.
     
  2. Quantumcat

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    If you want to use the eShop, or Pokémon bank, or play online, then update. If not, it doesn't matter whether you update or not.
     
  3. Gitaroo

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    Updating won't undo or remove anything I already have on it right? Nor effect future cfw update?
     
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  4. V0ltr0n

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    You will still be hacked after update if that's your concern.
     
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    You realize that is explicitly states that they WILL NOT release those exploits untill end of life for the 3ds systems. Means we aint gonna be getting those anytime soon
     
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  7. windwakemeupinside

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    The way support for the 3ds is right now (not too many games releasing for the system like earlier years), we might have EoL for 3ds around late 2018, early 2019. They did this pattern from GBA--->NDS, then NDS--->3DS where they supported the successful system before it was obvious that the new one would succeed too, then nintendo's major games were only then ported over. The switch is a bit unique because of what it is, but Pokemon Switch Version is following the pattern nicely; Nintendo knows the Switch sells, so Pokemon is getting a switch game.
     
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  8. Seliph

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    Explanation not specific enough, I think I just started the fourth reich
     
  9. Zaphod77

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    Nintendo insists that they aren't EOLing the 3ds for a while... we'll see if that stays true.
     
  10. windwakemeupinside

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    They insisted that about the NDS just before they dropped support in favor for the 3ds. Honestly, I trust actions at this point, not words...
     
  11. hurrz

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    I'd like to have seen this comparison from you with a cat!

    @Swiftloke Thanks for the knowledgeable and informative explanation! As already mentioned, very well written and I am glad that this is stickied.
     
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  12. BetterDuck

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    Is this gonna be to revised for NTRboot?
     
  13. Majickhat55

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    Or just edit the title to "Why the 3DS doesn't need to be downgraded on 11.4/11.5 for dummies" and throw in a link to NTRBootHaX Lol. (I'm being facetious if it's not obvious :glare:)
     
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  14. Zaphod77

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    Actually that's a pretty good point. With ntrboothax,downgrading is never required.

    I bet another even more draconian banwave will be incoming.

    On the plus side, with ntrhax open source, flash cart makers can implement their own support for it.

    On the minus side, that probably includes Gateway,which will most likely have a new Gateway Fastboot and new nds cart. lol
     
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  15. zaqqaz00

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    We sure have come far since the depressing days of 11.4
     
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    There won't be a DS if it was not for Acorn Archimedes and the Arm processor it is worth £24bn now..wow..

    Anyway..;) I CFW my 3DS using my Acekard 2i and it work great,thanks to who ever made ntrboot.. :) that reminds me,got to play Elite later.. :P
     
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  17. Selver

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    Perhaps this should be updated to reflect that downgrades are now possible, regardless of firmware version, using MagnetHax (or NtrBootHax, or whatever it's now called). Since that's exploiting a bug in the bootrom, and the bootrom is non-upgradable, it's definitely possible... and doesn't require any hardware modifications. Thus, the title of this sticky'd thread is now somewhat misleading....
     
  18. zaqqaz00

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    Thanks to the NTR the 3DS can be modded literally a few minutes
     
  19. Abdelatif

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    Hello guys
    I have a bricked new 3ds xl from downgrade, my question is can a hardmod fix this (injecting a 11.5 image CTRtransfer and replace the bad NAND) ?
     
  20. mikey420

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    You should be able to fix it with a hardmod but it would likely be much easier to just get an ntrboothax compatible flash cart and use it to run GM9 at boot.
     
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