[UPDATED] Malaysia blocks Steam entirely to stop FIGHT OF GODS

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  1. DS1

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    Yes!
    Jesus Christ...
     
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    Just saw the updated post, okay, see they should've just gotten the game pulled instead of blocking the service in the first place.
     
  3. 0100100001001001

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    Man, if I were one of the developers of this game I would do something really stupid right now cause I like to be a Troll sometimes.

    I would add Allah and Mohammad, they would both be short fat and ugly. They would fight with body odor and gas.

    I guess its a really good thing I'm not a developer.
     
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    In a court of law, repeated and personal statements and suggestions of violence against someone is still a crime even if no actions come of it. Harassment and slander are still serious crimes. Freedom of speech does not mean being able to say whatever you want without being held accountable. Expressing hatred and bigotry in speech and gestures, more often than not, leads to those kinds of actions. It is not a matter of mere 'offense'. It is a matter of making statements or holding personal beliefs which are morally objectionable and damaging to society as a whole. You may cite freedom speech for allowing you to drive through a city shouting racial slurs out your car window, but that doesn't make you immune to real charges for disturbing the peace and inciting violence.

    This is not a matter of informed. organized, dissenting speech. There is a major difference between civil discourse and a white power rally. There is a major difference between providing an honest telling of abuse, and a telling that sensationalizes the abuser. There is a difference between someone who maintains a respectful argument, and someone who immediately lapses into verbal diarrhea. Not all speech deserves to be spoken or heard, despite the internet giving every idiot their own megaphone and a sense of entitlement.
     
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  5. Tony_93

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    But then the game would be banned from every muslim governed country as opposed to only one... Not the smartest move I would say :v
     
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    I love the back-pedalling. So now it's not about causing offence, it's just about harassment and inciting violence. It's good that that's not what we were actually talking about. Nice try at deflection though. Again, who determines what qualifies as "hatred", "bigotry", " morally objectionable", and "damaging to society"? You?

    Of course, the person who determines what is "civil discourse", "abuse", "a respectful argument", and "verbal diarrhoea", as well as what deserves to be spoken or heard, is none other than you, I imagine? I suppose it's convenient that words and ideas you don't like are what don't deserve to be expressed. You do realise that literally every point you are trying to make could be equally applied to almost every action of speech, any point of view, or any argument, because every metric you're using is almost entirely subjective.
     
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    Yeah, you know what this game really needs? Power ups DBZ style...

    Imagine Mohammad losing the fight only to have an epic mini-cutscene transform into a more powerful being using the power of allah?.

    Or Jesus being backcornered and using the holy spirit to crus his enemy on one of those cut close battles?

    Man the potential sounds awesome, but the game looks like it could use a little more budget to get to those epic levels :lol:
     
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    I grew up in a family full of people of different faiths and religions, so I took some time to try and learn more about some of the main religions. Which coming from games like 1+2, the signs of God being the Hebrew one are definitely a lot more noticeable there than in the more recent games.
    It's just that Islam has their fancy habit of trying to kill anyone who presents Allah and his prophet in any true visuals, which usually scares people off from doing such a thing. As someone who isn't religious in the least, I'd personally love to see this game blossom and do well in spite of the dissenters.
     
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  9. aykay55

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    Muslim Countries take it WAY too far! Being anywhere else is the only way to live a good life :)

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    Hey, okay, I'm not gonna go all Hulk on you but Allah forbids the use of the death penalty except if the offender has killed someone, then we can kill him! The killing of Charlie Hebdo was completely wrong.

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    I just have to say this:


    The GBATemp community is so frickin racist!

    That's better.

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    Seriously dude, you are just a terrible person. I mean that. :(
     
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    "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
    "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"
    "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves"
    "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo!"
    According to their holy book, Allah encourages violence and bigotry against non followers.
     
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    Not me. Society. You know, that thing that exists outside your room, that is made up of a multitude of other people than yourself who, despite different backgrounds and beliefs, can still come to some kind of general consensus as to what sorts of things they want to happen around them. I think you may have been on the internet too long. Individual opinions don't matter no matter how much of a special snowflake you claim to be. Collective opinions shared by people outside a singular group however do matter since more voices are harder to ignore and usually leads to people who are in control of money, legislation, or leadership to take notice.

    Hostility, negativity, intentionally trying to harass and offend others... Those may be things you like... But within a society, no matter how large, all it does is cause conflict and drain resources from more important things while limiting the prosperity of that society.
     
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    So any views, thoughts, opinions, or acts of speech or expression that in any way go against the norm should be actively attacked, silenced, and discouraged? Just because people are upset or offended by (or otherwise don't like) something, it means it shouldn't be allowed?

    Deflection and baseless personal attacks. Nice. Try actually addressing my points next time.

    "Collective opinions" don't exist. In case you haven't noticed, "collectives" are actually made up of individual human beings.

    The fact that any person can honestly say such a thing and mean it is downright terrifying.

    I don't know where you live, but I suggest moving to North Korea, Belarus, or Turkmenistan. They seem like they'd be more your speed.
     
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    Can you tell me where exactly those verses are in the Quran?

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    Do you even know what desist means?!

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    Don't look it up
     
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    Some curious responses here, especially given those of the Russia vs pokemon go in a church thread that was bumped where rather different things were at play.

    Not what really needs to be said. I will go with *pat-pat* Malaysia, hopefully you'll get it one day.

    Leaving aside the broad nature of that statement (depicting a situation could well include an entirely staged film production or something, and normalising a situation is almost meaningless here) the supreme court has ruled that CG is OK and actually the film production thing where no harm done of the aside is also within the remit
    http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/16/n...ban-on-virtual-child-pornography.html?mcubz=0
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/20/washington/19cnd-scotus.html?mcubz=0

    Now there are other places on earth, ones which people are generally happy to live in and generally considered quite free, where that is not the case which can make for an interesting comparison in law but I will skip that for now.
     
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    Uh, why people are doing religion battles here?
    What the fuck.

    Hm... There are way worse games than Fight of Gods which aren't banned in Malaysia. They seem to block almost everything that has God or Jesus in name. Just my point of view.
     
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    There's something that can be said about a person who asks a question and answers it on their own. Remove your head from your ass please. Your attitude is a big indicator you clearly don't have the maturity to have a discussion but i'll humor you, kiddo.

    I don't know how anyone can be any more specific about the god of Megami Tensei.

    Shin Megami Tensei IV Final is about killing God, Yahweh, Jehovah, The Lord, and if you're feeling outlandish, El. We're not beating around the bush here. His name is censored in the game because of the ramifications involved with having voice actors speak his name. It's the God of Judaism and Christianity.

    http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/YHVH

    Ever since the renaissance, god is popularly depicted in art. Here, he is a floating golden head who's full form is revealed upon entering his chamber. His image isn't the primary concern. Christianity has never been anal about how their figures are depicted like other religions.

    It's complete bullshit that you think Satan being a character isn't a concern for people since Pokemon to this day is associated with satanic themes (somehow) by american Christians.

    It's the same one, yeah.

    Shin Megami Tensei IV Final ends in a similar manner.
     
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    Too bad they didn't have the balls to include Mohammed. He is "officially" no God, but neither is Moses.
     
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    I'm confused, I'm a terrible person because I said it would be a " stupid thing to do " and you think it would be awesome?
    or because I said " its a good thing I'm not a developer " and you think I should be?

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    However, how many people in those muslim countries actually have computers and access to the internet? So you would risk looking a few sales, but gain many more in countries full of infidels.
     
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    also you would be decapitated and/or bombed
     
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    Why tho

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    To add to to this, that's part of the legal definition of "battery." As in, you know, "assault and battery," which is a thing that you can actually be tried for

    http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Battery

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    Yeah that's one thing that didn't quite sit right with me, having Moses labelled as a god in this lineup