Turning Wi-Fi off fixes lagging in Zelda BoTW and other Switch games

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  1. Almamu

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    Thats not a fix. Its just hiding the problem. Surely, the game could benefit from a bit lower resolution to get better FPS overall, but as the article you've linked says, the resolution change doesn't explain the difference in perfomance the game shows docked vs portable. There are a couple more things to take into account, hardware-wise. I'm pretty sure the game could benefit of some optimizations based on the CPU architecture It's running on (if I recall correctly WiiU is POWER7 by IBM and Switch is ARM-based, both versions run on different hardware, so optimizing things at the same time for both systems is mostly impossible and probably CPU-specific optimizations could make the game get those extra FPS it needs, If done correctly.
     
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  2. DeslotlCL

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    Not a full resource or graphically demanding game at all... so, 60fps is pretty much easy, even more considering rms is a kind of a port of racing neo
     
  3. Xzi

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    Except Fast Racing Neo ran at 720p. So clearly still taxing enough on Wii U's hardware. IMO Fast RMX looks great. Load times are insane too, basically non-existent.
     
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    Of course you will get 1080p on switch, it would be insane if the new hardware couldn't render a last gen kind of port at a higher resolution
     
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    Well it's true, to be fair, I've only owned my XB1 and GTA V for about a year, so I don't know how it played at launch. I'm just concerned that Nintendo, who really needed a sure-fire hit with Switch/BOTW are going to suffer because of poor word-of-mouth reviews and the negative impact of bugs that should have been ironed out before launch. GTA V is a continually evolving software that frequently adds new assets and gameplay modes and has amazing customization options. BOTW is (presumably, based on Zelda games historically) a stand alone title with fixed assets which is unlikely to see much, if any, DLC, and as such should have been polished to near perfection before one of the most important system launches in Nintendo's history. Of course the lagging may just be hardware related, but that doesn't explain why it wasn't identified and fixed before launch.
     
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  6. Xzi

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    Switch is more powerful than Wii U even while portable, so it's obviously a decent power gap between the two systems overall.
     
  7. Almamu

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    Yeah, and you're right on that. GTA V is a never-ending game that improves everyday with new assets and stuff to keep it interesting unlike BotW, bad marketing could leave Nintendo to loose third party support once again, as happened with WiiU. I do think that Nintendo needs a couple of months to get their shit together and start optimizing things as they should. It doesn't matter if BotW is a port or a title released just for that console. Its one of their flagship series and as one should run and look the best way possible. Let's just hope that those issues get fixed the same way Rockstar or other developers have done with their games on other consoles.

    I don't agree on releasing half-assed ports or games that are not completely finished, but once It's done, you have to realize what you've done and fix it, and as fast as possible.
     
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  8. Retroboy

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    all ill say and you fanboys can defend all you like.

    I dont recall ever having to disable my PS4/XBX1 wifi connection to try improve game play.

    I dont recall ever having to disconnect other devices in order for the console to connect or improve wifi signal

    I dont recall any console having as many bad issues all in one like the switch, a lot of the issues are due to poor design and cheap hardware.

    now i am not saying no console is perfect, but fuck me a lot of these issues users are simply trying to use the console as its intended...... and i find it impossible that nintendo did not pick up on these prior to launching the console.

    one thing i defo hate is FUCK OFF £55 for BOTW, wow thanks nintendo for choosing expensive media format to put your games on, I thought basic PS4/XBX1 titles were bad at £49, but fuck off £55 for the basic version of Zelda and for what.... to be stored on a 8GB card.

    so what happens when games get bigger during the console life.

    Also @Almamu I wouldnt count on switch having games like GTA 5 or titles that keep adding new content because NINTENDONT AGAIN been cheap providing only 32GB storage on that shit system..... ANOTHER thing that is put at the users expense same as screen protection to prevent its fucking docking station scratching the shit out of your screen.... again could have been prevented by using better screens but nintendont didnt because of cost and even adding soft pads to the dock again didnt because of cost.
     
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  9. Almamu

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    Just like PS4 did catch the overheating issues of the first models, right? you had to shut down your PS4 unless you wanted it to burn, or the HDD problems they had, right? I'm not really attacking the console, I'm just trying to make my point here. Every hardware device on launch IS GOING TO have problems, the difference is how fast the company realizes the problems and puts solutions to them. The switch was just released and the first issues have already popped up, let's see how well Nintendo does here and what solutions they can bring to the table. We'll see If the Switch is really appealing to gamers in a couple of months, which is the time that took sony to fix some of those problems with hardware revisions, firmware updates and game fixes.

    I'm not counting on that either, In fact I've never said that. I don't really mind if the Switch gets games that get updated that fast and so frequent. I'm looking for titles that are interesting fun and that I can enjoy, just for the same reason I bought PS4 even knowing the overheating issues it had, for example, and I'm enjoying those games, wheter they run at 25FPS or 30FPS because thats my objective buying a console like that, knowing the issues it has.

    The screen scratches have already been discussed on a different thread I think, and It did not have to do with the quality of the screen but how the dock was manufactured (AFAIK, don't recally the exact reason)
     
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  10. Xzi

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    You don't recall any of this bullshit internet sensationalism/clickbaiting because even back in 2013 things weren't like this. People were more honest with reviews of hardware and software, they didn't shit on Nintendo just because they recently enjoyed a Sony game or vice versa. PS4 and XB1 both had launch issues that were resolved later on, exactly like Switch.
     
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    I agree consoles do have issues, but the switch has had the most ive ever seen in one, majority are poor and cheap design.

    users have taken their consoles apart and proven that alot of the problems are due to cheap hardware.
     
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    So there's this thing called laptops... On a serious note though, there's a number of contract exclusives on Nintendo consoles, you and I both know that, so the point is moot.
     
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    this has nothing to do with sony or ms, this is simply all the shit that the switch is having.

    its a cheap nasty system and nintendo yet again are more bothered about how it can market cheap systems to create a hype and sit there laughing "it prints money".

    its hardware has been proven that its cheap and why its having so many problems, if nintendo chose to spend more and used better hardware it would have prevented a lot of the issues.
     
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    This is some hardcore confirmation bias you're pitching. Some 90% of Switch owners on GBATemp have reported no issues. I've had one problem which turned out to be easily fixable (ground loop with 3.5mm while docked). Turning off wifi doesn't resolve all of Zelda's frame rate drops, just like there's no way to solve frame rate drops in so many PS4/XB1 games.

    I've seen no concrete evidence that the hardware is cheap for what it costs. From my experience, AMD hardware tends to be a lot more cheap/budget-class than Nvidia hardware. PS4/XB1 both use AMD.
     
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  15. Almamu

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    We'll, thats something we can really discuss in a long session, just look at the last generation. Those did really have big problems for a couple of years (RED ring of dead, yellow light, etc). I don't think Its nice of any company to release hardware that has such issues, whetever it's nintendo, sony, microsoft or even pc manufacturers like EVGA with the FTW cards recently. The difference is in how they handle these problems after release. Everyone has errors from time to time.
     
  16. chartube12

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    Older dev kit? Remember how capcom claims they got nintendo to make the switch slightly more powerful. We know the new dev kits got shipped to the devs and publishers unfortunately at the same time as the switch was finalized and botw went gold. It is vary possible and likely botw & the other launch titles were all finished using the older kit and are currently locked at those specs.
     
  17. Almamu

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    I wouldn't call Tegra cheaping out on hardware. The switch has some powerfull hardware for a hybrid device like it is compared to what is available on the market. They are not doing bad at all with It from my POV, but they surely could get some improvement here and there. You can't ask for much more stuff on a 300€ handheld w/ dock. We'll see how Nintendo does the upcoming months, what issues they do fix, how they acknoweldge them and how fast they get things done. They did pretty well with 3DS once they realized the mistake of selling them at 250€, let's see how much time it takes them this time to fix the issues of the switch hardware and software wise.
     
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    Have you really seen a Switch? Like, having it in your hands more than ten seconds?
    I really can't find all those awful issues in mine.
    Certainly it is not without its shortcomings, but "poor and cheap design", nope, not at all.
    You know, I also love my XBX1S, a great console, also far from perfect, but great nonetheless.
    Except at those times when it decides to stop seeing my Wi-Fi network, and I have to reboot it full. Typical Windows 10 machine.-
     
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    for someone who compares a game like bloodborne to counter the lag issues and not see that you cant really compare the two games, clearly wont want to see the hardware either.

    its like comparing a ps4 title and then saying its crap compared to a 2d game that requires less resources but even the 2d game has lag issues.
     
  20. Hells Malice

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    Going to assume everyone was too busy crying to answer this

    There seems to be pretty much 0 lag in handheld mode, and i've played probably 30-40 hours or more that way.
     
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