Trump's latest speech about Antifa taking down/vandalizing statues

[Hanafuda]

The same could absolutely not be said about the Nazis, many of whom arrived in full makeshift riot gear

I also heard they were are armed to the teeth with AR-15's, Glock handguns, grenades and shit. Gov. McCauliffe said the State Police were outgunned.

Did anyone get shot? Was there even any gunfire? (I dunno about gunfire, but I didn't see any reports and think it would've been front page if there was.)

 

[TotalInsanity4]

I also heard they were are armed to the teeth with AR-15's, Glock handguns, grenades and shit. Gov. McCauliffe said the State Police were outgunned.

Did anyone get shot? Was there even any gunfire? (I dunno about gunfire, but I didn't see any reports and think it would've been front page if there was.)

I have heard absolutely nothing about weaponry other than makeshift batons, but obviously if they had anything projectile-based then they thankfully weren't stupid enough to use it

 

[rileysrjay]

I saw a Twitter post earlier today from a pastor and although I don't have the link, I remember him basically saying: "dear white nationalists: who you are following was a dark skinned Jewish man who spoke Aramaic and whose mother was Jewish too."

 

[Stephano]

I'm sorry, but normal people protesting a statue being removed don't carry torches and chant "blood and soil" and "Jews will not replace us!"

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The thing that's objectionable is a) the Nazis very clearly stated they were doing what they were because they feel they are backed by President Trump, who has backpedaled out of his incredibly half-assed statement of rejection into a position of what could really only be described as support, and b) he refuses to uncouple the violent Antifa members from the entirety of the counterprotesters, the majority of whom were entirely peaceful (some even offering lifesaving treatment after the car attack), or only violent as a protective measure as the situation escalated. The same could absolutely not be said about the Nazis, many of whom arrived in full makeshift riot gear

I know. What did you think I meant. I'm saying not every one there was doing that. My question was about how many were not and how many thought that the event was originally a statue protest.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

I know. What did you think I meant. I'm saying not every one there was doing that. My question was about how many were not and how many thought that the event was originally a statue protest.

I'm saying that as far as I'm aware the entire "Unite the Right" crowd knew damn well who they were going in with. This event has been planned for months

 

[Stephano]

I'm saying that as far as I'm aware the entire "Unite the Right" crowd knew damn well who they were going in with. This event has been planned for months

And that may be true and I'm not denying that. Take me for an example. When I first heard about this protest, I simply thought that it was exclusively about the statue. However, the more I dug, I was proven very very wrong. So, I was saying, it could have been very easy for another (who wanted to go) to get confused over what was going on.

 

[Hanafuda]

I know. What did you think I meant. I'm saying not every one there was doing that. My question was about how many were not and how many thought that the event was originally a statue protest.

There's even some controversy now that the guy who organized the whole event on the 'alt-right' side was a plant who's only been working as an alt-right activist since Trump got elected, but someone uncovered that a few years ago he was with Occupy Wall Street, i.e. the whole thing was a setup. My opinion on that is if you get set up and fooled on that scale, you deserve it.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

And that may be true and I'm not denying that. Take me for an example. When I first heard about this protest, I simply thought that it was exclusively about the statue. However, the more I dug, I was proven very very wrong. So, I was saying, it could have been very easy for another (who wanted to go) to get confused over what was going on.

At which point a reasonable person would leave. I'm sorry, but there really aren't anyone who have the luxury of saying "I didn't understand what was going on!" on the Nazi side

 

[smile72]

Hahaha. I almost missed this tired argument. Ok, so the Communism that has been practiced by Communist nations has not been real Communism. So what???? You could probably say the same about "real Nazism." .... Darn that Hitler, he fucked it all up. That wasn't real Nazism. LOL what difference does it make? Hitler was a Nazi, and look at what he did. Stalin and Mao were Communists, and look at what they did.

Whatever pure theoretical form of an ideology you've got, it's NEVER going to happen in the real world. Maybe in a microcosm social experiment, but not at nation-scale. Human nature (greed, corruption, politics, lust for power) and the realities of the physical world (food, water, infrastructure needs, wars/defense, natural disasters) will always force an ideology to compromise. We don't practice pure capitalism, neither Hitler or Mussolini presided over pure fascism, and there's never been a country that follows 'real' Communism. But the track record for the countries that adhered to Communism throughout the 20th century is tragically clear. Hitler and the Nazis killed millions, but Communist governments have killed tens of millions.

But again you should know....there is quite a big difference between communism and capitalism as I explained...so um why are you bringing up pure capitalism? Capitalism is quite flexible so you can practice it even while implementing socialist ideas (i.e. Europe, the United States, and so on) Communism is actually NOT flexible...it's not that it wasn't real communism. Using the USSR as an example never achieved communism or even socialism. It was state CAPITALISM. So it's ok if you don't believe in communism....but please at least understand the flexibility of Capitalism and Socialism and the inflexibility of Communism.

 

[smile72]

It took over 100 years after the Civil War for blacks to finally have civil rights. I think things would have been better without the war, as the emancipation would have been voluntary as opposed forced, and racial tensions probably would not be as bad as they are now.

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Anyway those antifa guys look like fascists themselves

I honestly don't think it would have been any better as the South heavily relied on agriculture which at the time heavily relied on slavery and thanks to the Civil War it at least made it possible for blacks to legally migrate to the north. And i don't think much would have changed because slavery ended in 1865 it definitely wouldn't have ended anytime soon if the Confederacy was an independent country for OBVIOUS reasons. They were mostly rural...so slavery would have been a necessity to even keep their economy functioning. Also don't forget that slaves were 40% of more of the population in more than half of the Confederacy. And honestly I don't think things would have been that different especially if you look at how the North functioned during the time of slavery. There would still be discrimination hell perhaps Jim Crow like laws would have been made after slavery regardless. I think anyone who think the Confederacy was better than the Union is living in the fantasy of Gone with the Wind.

 

[Joe88]

A 225 year old monument dedicated christopher columbus was vandalized with a sledge hammer, seems to be antifa members who did it

 

[The Catboy]

A 225 year old monument dedicated christopher columbus was vandalized with a sledge hammer, seems to be antifa members who did it

To be fair, Columbus shouldn't have had a monument to begin with. He didn't discover anything, he never set foot in the States, and he was murderous psychopath that killed countless people. Quite honestly he's the one figure in "American" history that we shouldn't be upset about loosing because he didn't accomplish anything.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

To be fair, Columbus shouldn't have had a monument to begin with. He didn't discover anything, he never set foot in the States, and he was murderous psychopath that killed countless people. Quite honestly he's the one figure in "American" history that we shouldn't be upset about loosing because he didn't accomplish anything.

I agree in sentiment, but there are certainly better ways to deal with that than taking a sledgehammer to it :Y

 

[Viri]

That shit is almost as old as our country, it belonged in a museum, not smashed by a vandal.

 

[Xexyz]

I agree in sentiment, but there are certainly better ways to deal with that than taking a sledgehammer to it :Y

I agree, it should be dealt with a bulldozer.

 

[Subtle Demise]

if they were really anti-fascist, they'd be marching on the capitol building in DC and doing the world a favor. All I see is a bunch of hipster sjw white apologists smashing statues for the fuck of it.

 

[The Catboy]

I agree in sentiment, but there are certainly better ways to deal with that than taking a sledgehammer to it :Y

You're right, explosives are a better method.