georaldc said:
Its not only missing the shaders, its missing, the improved environments, the extra polygons, its missing everything.
Check the E3 2010 tech demo out.pachura said:
If anything, it's proof that Konami is too lazy to remake a game.
pachura said:
It doesn't change the fact Konami is being lazy as fuck with this game.
- It actually looks less detailed than the PS2 version. This should NOT be happening, as the tech in the 3DS is much more powerful than the PS2.
- The announcement of the MGS HD Collection already is the nail in the coffin for this game. $40 for a port with minor extras or $30 for a collection of three games with upscaled resolutions as well as a version of MGS3 that runs at 60fps?
Just wait for the actual game to come out then decide on the graphics and whatever else will ya?
Oh and btw, the 3DS has better graphics than a PSP.
Oh and btw, the 3DS has better graphics than a PSP.
3DS can still blow the PSP out of the water when it comes to graphics. I especially can't see the reasoning behind PSP being on par considering PSP can't even do ports on par with some of the mid-tier PS2 games. Snake Eater 3D at the very least seems like a solid port of the PS2 game so far (one of the best looking games on the PS2). But there are better looking games. It seems many people forget about Super Street Fighter IV 3D and Resident Evil Mercenaries 3D. Later on RE Revelations. I could name numerous more as well. You can't blame the 3DS for lack of effort on certain developers. It can certainly pull off exactly what we were seeing in tech demos, we have actual finished games (or upcoming games that are not tech demos) to show us this much.
From what i can see, MGS3D is mostly on par with PS2 graphically. Some things are slightly worse than the PS2 version (namely textures and some very minor polygon downgrades), but there's some clear shader effects that are superior to PS2. Definitely balances it out imo. It's also not finished yet, and many effects are often added in during late development. Not fair to judge it quite yet until we've all seen the final product. On the actual system as well (which will inevitably look better than a video or screen can show).
To be quite fair, while the Naked Snake tech demo certainly pulled off great character models, some of the environment detail left much to be desired. For example-
Snake looks great, and some environments look good too. But others in the demo looked just bleh. Looking past the characters, you've got some weird looking environments. In this respect, i'd have to say that the newer version looks better.
The biggest issue i have is that Konami and Kojima were quoted as saying that if they had more time, they could make the actual game look even better than the 2010 tech demo. My guess on the matter is that perhaps this game was outsourced to less competent developers and they decided that instead of remaking the game as originally invisioned, they decided instead to just port the PS2 version. It's possible that Kojima and the team that led the tech demo have nothing to do with this new version.
At any rate, don't diss the 3DS' graphical power just because one developer (or however many) lack the effort to push the system. Personally, when i ignore the 2010 tech demo, i'm still somewhat impressed that the 3DS can actually come on par with the best that the PS2 could do. Especially so early in the 3DS' life. I'd say Snake Eater was second only to Shadow of the Colossus graphically. And i'd only give SOTC the win due to how far the developers managed to push the PS2's hardware, i still feel MGS3 has the overall superior look. It should also be remembered that the 3DS has to process the 3D effect, meaning it has to render the graphics twice (or around that). And that this is still VERY early in the system's life.
And no i'm not bashing the PSP. I actually love the PSP and it's definitely the superior gaming system so far (until the 3DS gets a better library at least). This is purely an analysis of the graphical power, which doesn't actually matter when comparing gameplay. Take note at that.
From what i can see, MGS3D is mostly on par with PS2 graphically. Some things are slightly worse than the PS2 version (namely textures and some very minor polygon downgrades), but there's some clear shader effects that are superior to PS2. Definitely balances it out imo. It's also not finished yet, and many effects are often added in during late development. Not fair to judge it quite yet until we've all seen the final product. On the actual system as well (which will inevitably look better than a video or screen can show).
To be quite fair, while the Naked Snake tech demo certainly pulled off great character models, some of the environment detail left much to be desired. For example-
Snake looks great, and some environments look good too. But others in the demo looked just bleh. Looking past the characters, you've got some weird looking environments. In this respect, i'd have to say that the newer version looks better.
The biggest issue i have is that Konami and Kojima were quoted as saying that if they had more time, they could make the actual game look even better than the 2010 tech demo. My guess on the matter is that perhaps this game was outsourced to less competent developers and they decided that instead of remaking the game as originally invisioned, they decided instead to just port the PS2 version. It's possible that Kojima and the team that led the tech demo have nothing to do with this new version.
At any rate, don't diss the 3DS' graphical power just because one developer (or however many) lack the effort to push the system. Personally, when i ignore the 2010 tech demo, i'm still somewhat impressed that the 3DS can actually come on par with the best that the PS2 could do. Especially so early in the 3DS' life. I'd say Snake Eater was second only to Shadow of the Colossus graphically. And i'd only give SOTC the win due to how far the developers managed to push the PS2's hardware, i still feel MGS3 has the overall superior look. It should also be remembered that the 3DS has to process the 3D effect, meaning it has to render the graphics twice (or around that). And that this is still VERY early in the system's life.
And no i'm not bashing the PSP. I actually love the PSP and it's definitely the superior gaming system so far (until the 3DS gets a better library at least). This is purely an analysis of the graphical power, which doesn't actually matter when comparing gameplay. Take note at that.
Why are you hating on the 3DS so much? Would it kill you to say the 3DS graphics looks pretty good?
I mean come on...
But in the end (even tho I didn't own one) the ps3 collection sound like a better deal.
I mean come on...
But in the end (even tho I didn't own one) the ps3 collection sound like a better deal.
It one thing of being realistic vs just being outright harsh.pachura said:
You see what the game is capable of, yet you look for games (for whatever reason dev just don't want used the hardware to the fullest)
and bash it. Then when there a game that does look much better, you try to fine the smallest differences or make poor comparisons.
No offense, but you are severely underrating it's hardware, not being realistic about it whatsoever. Try instead using games that actually take advantage of the 3DS instead of using a game like Samurai Warriors that doesn't push the hardware at all.pachura said:
Better examples below.
Resident Evil Mercenaries 3D-
Resident Evil Revelations-
Super Street Fighter IV 3D-
There are more examples i can use if you like. Samurai Warriors is not a good example as there are clearly better games to use to show of the 3DS graphical capabilities. You're not even using decent PSP examples to compare like Peace Walker or God of War (which are still not up to par with what we've seen on 3DS so far). You're supposed to take the best of BOTH systems, not just compare graphically underpar games for both systems. If you chose the right games, you could make a case that any system is weaker than another, just because some developers don't make any effort in graphics.
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