The state of American journalism

Discussion in 'World News, Current Events & Politics' started by Chary, Jan 12, 2018 at 6:41 PM.

  1. Memoir

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    Quite the opposite. Journalism fuels the proverbial fire.
     
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    Zimmerman was not white, but he was still a piece of shit and very likely racist. Didn't he end up in jail anyway? Or was it just broke and homeless?
     
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    I like how they used his pictures of him when he was like 10 or 12, and not his, ahem, up to date photos.
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    Who cares that I didn't mention it? It's part of the problem too but it wasn't part of the example. My point as a whole is that sensationalist media pushing a bias is bad. Who gives a fuck what side of the spectrum the media network is on? If it's pushing bias, it's bad. Full stop.

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    Honestly the real solution to all of this is not to fix journalism -- nothing short of crashing every group and building it up from the ground up will do that -- but to encourage people to think for themselves and investigate issues beyond "DA MEDIYUH TOLD ME TO THINK DIS SO I THINK DISS DURRR"
     
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    The best journalists disclose conflicts of interest and take steps to avoid ethics violations, but the truth of the matter is that everyone has their own biases. Best people can do is report the facts and stop with the filler commentary. Some people still wouldn't be content with that, though, especially when it comes to certain deified political figures.
     
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    There's a subtle irony to this. We are actually taught to believe and fight for what we feel is right. Yet, that's what gets in the way of reason and knowledge. Ignorance and arrogance go hand in hand. I agree though, we need to further enforce this. "Fake news" isn't just some catchy phrase. You have to validate (investigate) the information for yourself and not take it at face value. It's detrimental to progress.
     
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    I assume you are referring to Antifa, most of whom are anarchists, communist, socialists, or other anti-capitalists. They hate liberals.

    Trump Received ~63,000,000 votes out of 235,248,000 voting aged americans(which is less than his opponent so it was not a democratic victory)


    US citizens have the constitutional right to peacefully assemble. The first amendment intentionally excludes government white listing of protest actions. This is a really important part of our constitution that I wish more people understood. There should be no authorization required (though there often is).
    You are unfairly characterizing all violent as being perpetuated by the left.
    I can find videos of right wing people doing this shit too at protests with a much higher degree of damage
    The most violent that Milo video gets is people getting signs taken out of there hands. Do you think that is comparable to the dude driving his car through protestors in Charlottesville or the Milo supporter who shot a protestor? or how about the guy who shot 5 people at a BLM protest?

    I agree that the first and the third are silly but do you think reporting that the President of The United States claims that he cheats on his wife by sexually assaulting women is not news worthy?

    Bruh this is like 3 people. You can't generalize an entire movement based on 3 people.
    Here is a video of someone who goes to protests explaining their opposition to trump. If I get a few more of these will you be concede that the left can explain why they are protesting?

    This is hyperbole.
    You are also citing a blog post...

    Fascism is defined as a form of radical authoritarian nationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce

    Doxxing is none of these things. It could perhaps be argued that it is related to "forcible suppression of opposition", but that is dependent on the society already strongly objecting to the information that is revealed. In other words, doxxing just lets the society know who someone is. It doesn't directly suppress them.

    Further, the link you provided details both the right and the left doxxing their opponents which contradicts your claim that this is a problem with the left.

    I recommend you do more research on fascism. Dr. Lawrence Britts Fourteen Defining Characteristics of Fascism is a good place to start.

    Trump's approval rating is getting lower and lower so perhaps the protesting is working.
     
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    He lost the popular vote by approximately 3,000,000 votes.

    Using the US population as a whole doesn't really count. Considering the actual amount of people who voted? The margin was rather small. I agree with the rest of your post, though.
     
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    thanks that was really dumb of me
     
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    We all make mistakes.
     
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    I should've worded my post better. I meant the population who voted (but really, I don't think anybody who didn't vote should complain about him even if you hated Clinton. There were other people to vote too).



    The second amendment gives the right to all US citizens to keep and bear arms, doesn't mean it's right. It should be regulated, just like protests. Unauthorized protests can turn out to be very dangerous for both the protesters and the passerby.

    Now, what am I going to write can be debatable and I will respect your decision to tell me that I'm wrong (just like anything else written here).

    If I'm driving a car and I see a group of masked people coming towards me with bats and metal chains and people shouting stuff I can't hear, the first thing I would do is set the reverse gear and get the hell out.
    However, if what I'm seeing is really shocking to me, I can understand why someone would just push forward. Especially if they have no idea about an unauthorized protest going on and they (rightfully) assume that their life is in danger. You shouldn't be protesting with your face covered while holding bats and metal chains.

    As for the other two, I never claimed non-liberals to be saints. But these seem like isolated cases to me. YouTube is filled with compilations of liberals being aggressive, especially during "protests". Why would you even go to a protest by covering your face?


    That was a private conversation, it's not like he tweeted about it. We all say stuff we don't really mean sometimes.

    Mine was just an example. Also, the person wasn't even in a protest.

    Again, just an example. Here's another article by The Guardian though.

    Doxxing can be definitely seen as "do as we say or we will ruin your life" though.

    Just like Hillary Clinton would've most certainly won the elections. People are just afraid to say that they support Trump.[/QUOTE]
     
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    If they're afraid to say they support Trump because he's so outside the norms of basic human decency, then perhaps they should listen to that part of themselves and vote for somebody else. That's of course assuming Trump gets to run again after the Mueller indictments come down and/or the mid-term elections go the way other recent elections have. Republicans are retiring in record numbers this year.
     
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    They're afraid to get pepper sprayed on the face, most likely.
     
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    Police tend to do that when any group gets a little too rowdy. As for the neo-nazis butting heads with antifa, let 'em. They're both extremist groups and nobody should be siding with either.
     
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    They're not afraid because they are embarrassed, but because they have been informed by media that they may be physically attacked if they vocally support him. That's a pretty big difference. It's like telling someone in Germany at the height of Nazi power "If you're so afraid of criticizing Hitler, then perhaps your criticisms are invalid"

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    The problem with not siding with either is that both groups are at the mentality of "if you're not with us you're against us," forcing you to join or go to the other side for defense. Neo-Nazis had been more or less brushed under the rug during the Obama administration, but came out in full force AFTER Anti-Fa reared it's ugly head. I'd argue they fought back in defense.
     
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    The right has a hard time choosing how they want to portray the left, don't they? Half the time the left-wing are "bleeding-heart SJW nerds," the other half of the time they're a dangerous majority policing the streets to beat the shit out of anyone who professes support of Trump. Regardless, Trump and his feckless crew of Khaki-wearers are the ones in control. You can't be the Empire and Rebellion in one. You can't be the aggressor and still play the victim.
     
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    Sure you can. Ever seen a black guy pull the race card because that particular black guy was a criminal and got caught?
     
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    But it doesn't work in that case, the guy still goes to jail. Thus it shouldn't work for the alt-right. Especially when their directive is more to take away the rights of other people than to extend their own rights.
     
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    That's a shallow, and rather unfounded viewpoint. You say Republicans (lol) want to take away rights.. But the Democrats (loosely used) attempted to achieve a relatable outcome with gun control (lol even more) and a few other things. Seriously, I think you should more blame the few people with power instead of a party as a whole.
     
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    You genuinely have no idea what the Anti-fa fascists narrative is, do you? How people would get their cars scratched up at universities if they had the wrong bumper sticker, how a fun prank was to imbed a normal trump lawn sign with nails and have that actually get run over, or how even psycologists are being silenced for warning that transgendered people often regret their surgery?
     
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