GBAtemp Exclusive The Hybrid Era

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Do you only own ONE platform for games this generation?

  1. Yes - I only have either the Nintendo Wii U/Switch, only a PS4, only an Xbox One, or only a PC

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  2. No, I have some mix of the above.

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  1. codezer0

    codezer0 Gaming keeps me sane

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    Um, the way Nintendo showed off at their reveal. One at a time, then one with both hands. And no such comfort grips I've seen for these can be used while having them attached to the tablet, or docked. So their usability is limited at best.

    20 hours isn't bad in and of itself, but it is a total cop out to make a trip to set them in and not be able to charge them through it. As it stands, without buying the optional grip, I have to ritualistically unplug and replug them in to the tablet every time if I don't want to spend more money. And it still doesn't solve the size problem for me.

    I basically need like, a switch XL. Or at the least, a switch with a replaceable battery design change, that enables third party extended battery upgrades for them. At least with the latter design change, I won't feel like I'm just renting the console at full price, when the time finally comes to get one.
     


  2. Foxi4

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    You may want to look into the officially licensed starter packs, they contain Joycon covers that enhance the thickness of the grip significantly.
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    ...but yes, the controllers are anything but comfortable. The buttons and sticks are just too damn close to each other, a compromise made to make Joycons viable as two separate controllers. I too have hands like loaves of bread, which is why my 3DS spent most of the time inside the Circlepad Pro, even when I played games that didn't support it. Even the PS3's Dualshock feels too small to me, so you can imagine how I feel about the Switch. It wasn't until the DS4 that I began liking Sony's controllers, it seems that out of current manufacturers only Microsoft has it knocked, but their controllers are way overpriced considering there's no mind-blowing tech inside of them, not even motion controls which were standard last gen.

    As for the battery, modern lithiums retain capacity for around 500 charges, that should last you at least over a year, even if you charge it every single day. Most batteries die early because of improper charging, not because of their design.

    I wouldn't hold my breath for a revision with replaceable batteries, modern lithiums for tablet use are more akin to pouches glued to the case for the sake if rigidity, they're very hard to replace and a metal casing would increase thickness, which I don't mind, but for some reason manufacturers obsessed with thinness at the cost of serviceability and reliability do.
     
  3. jt_1258

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    I mainly play nintendo systems, have a pc for pc games, yes it is powerful, why can't someone be a pcmaster race and nintendo fanboy, and if I ever got a chance I would likely go for ps4 over xb1, xb1 is pretty useless to me games wise
     
  4. codezer0

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    Those charging cycles are bunk. Every single phone I've ever had claimed the same thing, and guess what? within a year, every single phone whose battery I couldn't replace, was useless within a year. Not even starting the second.

    Same going on with my current phone. And unfortunately, no money anywhere to buy the kind of phone I'd need.

    Nonremovable batteries are a cancer on the industry.
     
  5. anhminh

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    Time and money, it always the dilemma of gamer. You either have enough time to play all the console or have enough money to bought all the console, but never both (unless you are one of those rich brat).

    I seem to be at the end of that stick, I neither have enough money to own more than one console nor time to play them so I rather stick to what I know, which is Nintendo than buying a new console with game I never even hear of. I sure Persona 5 or God of War 4 are good but if it turn out not, I will wasted my money and time which can be used more wisely. So when I say I don't own any other console than Nintendo one you know it nothing personal and I don't bear any hate to other console.
     
  6. Foxi4

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    I'm not saying no. If I had anything to say about it, everything would run on universal "dumb" lithiums you could replace with off-the-shelf batteries, but that's just not the design trend right now.

    Fortunately it would seem that all you need to open up the Switch and remove the battery is a tri-wing screwdriver, so not all is lost. It's not as bad as a normal tablet where the battery would most certainly be a glued in pouch, so it's not exactly "non-removable", just a pain in the ass to remove due to security screws. I suspect third-parties will design custom batteries for the system, and soon.

    https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nintendo+Switch+Teardown/78263

    That, and Nintendo plans to introduce a battery replacement program to help the tech-illitrate do the deed, however I don't quite understand why they wouldn't just design the system with a user-openable battery bay if the battery is this easy to remove anyways.
     
  7. TheDarkGreninja

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    It's like warranty stickers, they dont want you tampering with your stuff.

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    Huh weird, my hands are about 20cm in length, i have no issues holding them, maybe its just how i hold them.
     
  8. Foxi4

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    There were no warranty stickers on my DS Lite's battery cover - I could replace the battery if it stopped performing. It's not about making the system tamper-proof, it's about making it disposable, so that when the battery wears down after a few years you have to cough up the dough for an official replacement in their own facility where they can overcharge you *or* buy a brand new Switch. I don't believe for a second that it's for the benefit or safety of the user - it's not.
     
  9. TheDarkGreninja

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    Im not saying its a benefit, tampering with something does not mean breaking it, just means changing whats inside, e.g changing a battery. Anyway, exoect replacements to show up on ebay sooner or later.
     
  10. Foxi4

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    Changing batteries in my TV remote does not constitute tampering. It's neither dangerous nor does it require a specialist to perform. The battery is hidden under the cover screwed down with security screws because Nintendo wants more of your money through service fees, it's not a sign of good will, it's greed. The system *requires* tampering to access the battery when it doesn't have to. It's purposely designed to be inconvenient to the user, much like the internal battery of the Vita which I also criticised.
     
  11. TheDarkGreninja

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    Its not like the Switch's batteries are standard.
     
  12. Foxi4

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    And that stopped third-party manufacturers never. Even Nintendo themselves could just sell replacement batteries, how is this an argument?
     
  13. TheDarkGreninja

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    Thats not the point, they dont want any person just opening up the back and messing with the circuitry, of course, in a perfect world it would be easy, but we must be realistic. It's more about them making sure everything is done correctly.
     
  14. netovsk

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    @Foxi4 I don'treally think Zelda Skyward Sword or Mario & Luigi Dream team or Tearaway and Gravity Rush would be good ports for a KB+M or Generic Controller setup, they were built with the "gimmicks" in mind, as much as I wish everyone could play their games anywhere too.
     
  15. Foxi4

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    You're missing my point, my point being that the system could've been designed with an easily removable battery, but wasn't. I'm not talking about the current state of the Switch, I'm talking about Nintendo opting for an internal battery instead and promising to launch a battery replacement program at the cost of servicability of the system, which is a fact. As for Nintendo "not wanting things to happen", it's none of their business what I do with my console the very moment I purchase it. The Dualshock 4 has an internal battery too, but I can open it up with a standard Philips screwdriver and replace it anyways. It voids the warranty, but I may not particularly care about that several years down the line when it's not covered anyway. You can buy Dualshock batteries online with ease, including ones with increased capacity. Both Sony and Nintendo will *know* if the system was tampered with either way because they hire engineers who know how a stripped screw or thread looks like when they see one. That's besides the point though, the point was that the Switch should've had a battery compartment just like every other Nintendo system that used a battery ever because it's no secret that batteries lose capacity over time and users would probably want to have the option to replace it. It's not a huge ask, let's be serious for a moment.
    Skyward Sword is a standard-ass action adventure, the whole motion controls gimmick could be replicated on the myriad of other motion controllers, or without a motion controller at all. Tearaway was ported from the Vita to the PS4, so that point's moot, and Gravity Rush has a PS4 sequel with practically identical controls. I can't fathom why you think Mario and Luigi: Dream Team would be any different either, we have pointers that can replace touchscreens. Even games like ZombiU which extensively use very specific peripherals can be ported, it just takes some adjustments, the core game is still the same.
     
  16. TheDarkGreninja

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    SS could easily work on Switch.
    You're missing the point of my argument, although now I sound like some sort of Nintendo apologist. What I'm trying to say is that they dont want you to, simple as that, why is another question entirely and is one that ive entertained idea's for, it could be as simple as wanting users to go through official methods as I had stated which, mind you, in the states, is illegal. Im not condoning their actions and I think they should've made it easier to replace.

    "business what I do with my console the very moment I purchase it"

    It is their business what you do with your console as they're the one making it for you. It's like saying to an architect "its none of your business how I use the lift!"
    To make this clear, Nintendo by selling you a system do not inherently give you the right to mess with their systems innards. It's the laws in place that allow you to bust open your Switch without any legal repercussions. Do I agree with how they're doing things? No. Do they have the right to do it the way they are? Yes. You can't attack a business for trying to protect their system from dumbasses who will ruin their Switch by opening it up and claiming it was all Ninty's fault.
     
  17. Foxi4

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    This is a load of poppycock. Nintendo owns my Switch as much as Dacia owns my fiancée's car, so no, it's none of their business what I do with it. The legal burden of service is on them, and only for 12 months from the date of purchase (manufacturer's warranty) and it only covers factory flaws, not wear and tear, accidental damage or user error. Battery wear is considered normal wear and tear. I am under no obligation towards Nintendo to not open the system as I've never entered into a legal agreement with them, I only purchased their product. This is consistent across all of the EU to my knowledge, the US and Asia might have different legislature, but I sincerely doubt it. I can open my Switch a hundred times and Nintendo can't squeak a word about it because I own it - the worst they can do is restrict my access to their *services* for not following the Terms of Service which explicitly prohibit hardware modification. Moreover, no sane judge would rule in my favour if I sued Nintendo because my Switch battery exploded as I tampered with their system - it's within my responsibility as a user, not Nintendo's. The one thing I can't legally do is modify protected code which unlike physical hardware is subject to a license which I'd be breaking if I did that. I didn't rent a console, I bought it. Trust me, I would know - I sell those things for a living and I'm intimately familiar with the returns and service policies involved.
     
  18. TheDarkGreninja

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    Once again you're missing the mark. My argument is not on the legal side of things when a person damages their own system. It is rather on the social side of things, remember that youtube video of 20 different switch's malfunctioning? Yeah, I'd think nintendo would actively try to avoid that. Would I personally lock off all access to my system to avoid that? Not at all, however, Ninty clearly thinks that. Next is the fact they dont want any old person opening it up, if you really want to open up your switch is it is completely possible and all you have to do is buy a cheap screw.
     
  19. Foxi4

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    Sure. They have the right to use anti-tamper measures in their product, that's totally fine. They're also free to integrate the battery instead of using a battery compartment. Is that a dick move? Yes, yes it is. They've never done it before, so I question why they did it this time, that's all.
     
  20. TheDarkGreninja

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    Well, the battery isnt really integrated. its still removable. anyway, I agree that it was a stupid move on their part to remove repairability.