Original Developer making Sonic 3D: Director's Cut

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    The original founder of Traveler's Tales, Jon Burton has been running a YouTube channel for a bit now called GameHut- showing off cool old-school Traveler's Tales game development material. Jon has worked on multiple of these old games as a producer, designer, and programmer; truly a respected fellow, for sure.

    Today he's announced a new project as a thank you to the people who have been following and enjoying his content called "Sonic 3D: Director's Cut" which will apparently have a handful of improvements to the original game, along with some restored unused/prototype contents, and will be released to the public when it's complete as a patch for the rom.

    It's important to note that this is not an official game release, but a fan-project, made by the original developer, and isn't associated with SEGA or Sonic Team in any way.

    The goals for the project are as follows:
    • Improved character movement/handling.
    • Tweak parts of gameplay to be less frustrating in areas.
    • Add Super Sonic. (similar to a particular romhack done a while back)
    • Add in the development level editor.
    • Bring back the prototype crab enemy in some capacity.
    • Password based save game function. (based on SEGANET versions password system?)
    • Updated options screen to handle the new features and changes.
    I, for one, think this is really quite cool, and it's crazy to see an original developer going back and tinkering with code and development materials for games they worked on in the 90s.

    Update 1: Gameplay Changes

    A video showing off some changes to gameplay has been posted.

    Here is a summary of changes shown off in this first update video:
    • The title screen now has a bouncing "Director's Cut" text.
    • Sonic now has two different handling behaviors.
    • Low speed movement has higher friction, allowing for more precise movement and turning while going slow.
    • High speed movement has a bit less friction compared to low speed, which should allow for a bit easier control while moving quickly.
    • Sonic now has a slightly higher top speed for movement, to make him feel a bit more like Sonic. (Fast!)
    • Physics behavior when colliding with walls has been tweaked to keep you moving along the wall, instead of coming to a complete stop.
    • The camera now pans smoother, and pans further ahead when moving to hopefully give you more time to react to obstacles.
    • Speed shows now move even faster and allow Sonic to slightly outpace the camera. (Think Chemical Plant Zone Act 2!)
    • When you have speed shoes, you don't lose rings- instead you just get knocked back, rings in-tact. The purpose for this is to incentivise actually moving quickly while you have the speed shoes.
    • Each flicky icon now flashes if they aren't collected, to make you more aware that you are missing them.
    • Flickies are no longer dropped unless you are out of rings, preventing you from having to collect them every time you take a hit.
    • Flickies now all have a tendency to move toward Sonic when lost, making it harder to lose them in the stage.
    • Flickies no longer are dropped when hit by environmental hazards, and actually help protect Sonic from projectiles in some situations.
    • The Hunter badniks on Green Grove Zone no longer have a spike ball orbiting around them.
    • Bugfix: Shadows now properly appears above the rock formations in Volcano Valley.
    • Collision boxes for the big ring, Tails, and Knuckles objects in stage are now larger, making it considerably easier to interact with them.
    • A score display has been added to the top right. (The inclusion of this is subject to change if it brings up any problems later on in development)
    • It appears the palette for the water in Green Grove Zone was shifted gray ever so slightly, it's is likely because the water used Sonic's palette before. Since Sonic's palette will now need to be dynamic for Super Sonic implementation, it had to be changed to a different palette, so the water doesn't glow yellow like Sonic will as Super Sonic. This may imply a Super Sonic cheatcode will be in the game, since it's ordinarily impossible to have all 7 emeralds in Green Grove zone.
    Update 2: Super Sonic!
    A video showing off some changes involving Super Sonic and some other new things has been posted.

    Here is a summary of changes shown off in this second update video:
    • Green Grove Zone is now a lot more green.
    • Slightly tweaked colors on palm trees to match Sonic 1's palm trees a bit better.
    • Slightly tweaked palette for Sonic, to match Sonic 1's colors a bit better.
    • Added a level timer underneath the score, it flashes at 9 minutes, and stops counting after 9:59.
    • Laser bolts that shoot from turrets are now bright red, making them very easy to see.
    • Changed from Update 1: Flicky Icons now bounce up and down when the Flicky isn't collected, which is a bit more pleasant.
    • Added a Flicky icon that appears on the edges of the screen to show what direction the nearest flicky is, how fast it will flash is undecided, general perception in the comments seems that the rapid flashing is better.
    • Super Sonic has been added, including a neat little transformation animation using existing graphics in the game.
    • Super Sonic follows the traditional rules for activation. (7 Chaos Emeralds, 50 Rings or more, No Shield, Jump again in mid-air.)
    • Super Sonic is invincible and has super speed, consumes 1 ring per second until you run out of rings. (as expected)
    • Super Sonic can collect shields and can smash through objects that usually are broken with a spin dash. Shields collected while Super persist after you lose Super.
    • As mentioned last time, some special changes to the water in Green Grove had to be made because many objects (including water) used the same color palette as Sonic, which now need to use some other color, to prevent the Water going Super whenever Sonic does. Some special code was done in the case of Green Grove's water specifically, it is unknown how/if this code applies to other objects using the blues from Sonic's palette are changed.
    • New camera behavior was written for Bosses, to try to keep the camera a bit more focused on the boss.
    • Collision boxes for Canons and Trap Doors tweaked to be less annoying to interact with.
     
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    He could always release it via steam workshop, would be good if he could also add the debug mode to the origional game.
     
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    A better sonic 3D blast game? Why the heck didn't this happen with the first ever street fighter game, or final fight, or even super mario? (I was gonna post this but you beat me to it) But heck yeah, the game could use some improvements that aren't just a few fan hacks but what will sega say about it? Would he get some help, maybe christian whitehead retro engine on it for enhancements and ports? :)
     
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    I'm sure he'll do that too, honestly, but I'd prefer to have it as a patch if I could only choose one, since play Sega games on my hacked consoles with emulators most of the time these days.

    SEGA seems very supportive of rom hacks in general, so I doubt they'll have any problem with it.
    As for the other bits about Retro Engine... eh... probably not. I mean, an updated remake of Sonic 3D would be neat, but it's probably not on the same level as one for Sonic 3 & Knuckles obviously.
     
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    Over there ;)
    Heck ya!
     
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    I want a sonic 3 retro enhanced edition more than anyone on this planet! But this is the next closest thing we gonna get, is either this or sonic spinball that the only enhancement we get on retro engine is 60FPS and less glitchy gameplay. Now that I calm down from that statement... Lulz.... Still limiting it to something like community rom hack status or even steam sega community thing is just a bit too easy, we talking about a official game with a official asset (a original member of the dev team from 1996) pushing forward to make some additions to the game. The same way sonic cd, sonic 1 & 2 is on smartphones. This deserves some attention from sega.

    I mean in the end, they could do sonic 3 retro enhanced, honestly if they had done this sooner and maybe put it on some compilation disc for consoles/ cart for switch/3DS it could be Sonic mania + Sonic CD 1 2 3 & sonic 3D all for $40 at retail instead of limit to a $20 download. Now think about it. $20 game as download only or $40 game with a new recent game with classic enhanced games, help boost the embrasse of everything Sonic mania is made from, all in one package, for $40. Does it sound good or crazy? If it sounds crazy then this may sound even worst, I still think a patch for sonic mania to include online multiplayer for competition and mean bean games. Now is that crazy? I think I said enough. :ninja:

    #C-R-A-Z-Y. :P
     
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    The MD/Genesis games on steam, last I checked, are actually complete unencrypted ROMs, even the hacks.

    So I dont see why he couldnt offer both.
     
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    Like I said he probably will do that, if not him, surely someone will upload it to Steam Workshop on his behalf. :P

    One of the points of the Director's Cut is to make the game control better and remove frustrating mechanics.

    Now, I won't expect him to just completely redo the game obviously, but the idea of subtle tweaks is really appealing because I know there's a good game in there somewhere. The game has always been competent it's just had multiple failings in execution and I think some careful tweaks to the game is what it really needs.

    Keep in mind that I'm of the mind that Sonic 3D Blast wasn't a terrible Sonic game, just not as good compared to the classics.
     
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    Update:

    A video showing off some changes to gameplay has been posted.
    I'll be posting GameHut's updates on this as they come out by the way, so feel free to watch this thread for updates when they appear.
     
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    Here is a summary of changes shown off in this first update video:
    • The title screen now has a bouncing "Director's Cut" text.
    • Sonic now has two different handling behaviors.
    • Low speed movement has higher friction, allowing for more precise movement and turning while going slow.
    • High speed movement has a bit less friction compared to low speed, which should allow for a bit easier control while moving quickly.
    • Sonic now has a slightly higher top speed for movement, to make him feel a bit more like Sonic. (Fast!)
    • Physics behavior when colliding with walls has been tweaked to keep you moving along the wall, instead of coming to a complete stop.
    • The camera now pans smoother, and pans further ahead when moving to hopefully give you more time to react to obstacles.
    • Speed shows now move even faster and allow Sonic to slightly outpace the camera. (Think Chemical Plant Zone Act 2!)
    • When you have speed shoes, you don't lose rings- instead you just get knocked back, rings in-tact. The purpose for this is to incentivise actually moving quickly while you have the speed shoes.
    • Each flicky icon now flashes if they aren't collected, to make you more aware that you are missing them.
    • Flickies are no longer dropped unless you are out of rings, preventing you from having to collect them every time you take a hit.
    • Flickies now all have a tendency to move toward Sonic when lost, making it harder to lose them in the stage.
    • Flickies no longer are dropped when hit by environmental hazards, and actually help protect Sonic from projectiles in some situations.
    • The Hunter badniks on Green Grove Zone no longer have a spike ball orbiting around them.
    • Bugfix: Shadows now properly appears above the rock formations in Volcano Valley.
    • Collision boxes for the big ring, Tails, and Knuckles objects in stage are now larger, making it considerably easier to interact with them.
    • A score display has been added to the top right. (The inclusion of this is subject to change if it brings up any problems later on in development)
    I'll also be doing this for each update, so we have a good idea of the total number of major changes by the time it releases.
     
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    Added to the original post.
    • It appears the palette for the water in Green Grove Zone was shifted gray ever so slightly, it's is likely because the water used Sonic's palette before. Since Sonic's palette will now need to be dynamic for Super Sonic implementation, it had to be changed to a different palette, so the water doesn't glow yellow like Sonic will as Super Sonic. This may imply a Super Sonic cheatcode will be in the game, since it's ordinarily impossible to have all 7 emeralds in Green Grove Zone.
     
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    Update 2: Super Sonic!
    A video showing off some changes involving Super Sonic and some other new things has been posted.

    Here is a summary of changes shown off in this second update video:
    • Green Grove Zone is now a lot more green.
    • Slightly tweaked colors on palm trees to match Sonic 1's palm trees a bit better.
    • Slightly tweaked palette for Sonic, to match Sonic 1's colors a bit better.
    • Added a level timer underneath the score, it flashes at 9 minutes, and stops counting after 9:59.
    • Laser bolts that shoot from turrets are now bright red, making them very easy to see.
    • Changed from Update 1: Flicky Icons now bounce up and down when the Flicky isn't collected, which is a bit more pleasant.
    • Added a Flicky icon that appears on the edges of the screen to show what direction the nearest flicky is, how fast it will flash is undecided, general perception in the comments seems that the rapid flashing is better.
    • Super Sonic has been added, including a neat little transformation animation using existing graphics in the game.
    • Super Sonic follows the traditional rules for activation. (7 Chaos Emeralds, 50 Rings or more, No Shield, Jump again in mid-air.)
    • Super Sonic is invincible and has super speed, consumes 1 ring per second until you run out of rings. (as expected)
    • Super Sonic can collect shields and can smash through objects that usually are broken with a spin dash. Shields collected while Super persist after you lose Super.
    • As mentioned last time, some special changes to the water in Green Grove had to be made because many objects (including water) used the same color palette as Sonic, which now need to use some other color, to prevent the Water going Super whenever Sonic does. Some special code was done in the case of Green Grove's water specifically, it is unknown how/if this code applies to other objects using the blues from Sonic's palette are changed.
    • New camera behavior was written for Bosses, to try to keep the camera a bit more focused on the boss.
    • Collision boxes for Canons and Trap Doors tweaked to be less annoying to interact with.