Non-removable battery? WTF

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    For all intents and purposes, buying an extended battery without having the access to the battery compartment is not the best of ideas. Connecting a battery extension via the charging slot basically means that you'll be charging the main battery at a constant rate throughout the use of the console.

    Ext.Battery ---> Main Battery ---> System

    This effectively shortens the life-cycle of the main battery, as it wastes charging cycles. If you have the intention to use the extension at all times, keep it in mind.
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    Then I suppose I would simply have to ask "then what the heck else am I supposed to do?"

    It's the same story with the PSP go. I'd love to get a stronger, longer-lasting battery for it as well. Yet Sony doesn't have such an option because they intentionally made it a non-user replaceable part. So, unless by some chance it is only a simple matter of unscrewing the back and finding it can be removed without a soldering gun or some similar, that's more or less my only option with the only extended battery I saw for the PSP as well.

    And since Sony made the Vita exactly the same, then... again, not really much of a choice, either.
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    Technically, the best "time" to attach the extended battery is around the time your main battery is low - that's the time when you're supposed to charge it and allows for more energy conservation.

    The non-removable battery is indeed a bummer.
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    Most of the new devices being released doesn't have removable battery.
    Besides if you really have to change the battery, then there's nothing stopping you!

    It's the same shit with the memory card rant, whine whine whine, last time i checked, i can't even expand the memory of the iphone without having to buy a new device! But nooo the iphone is god sent and sony is the devil.

    Don't like it? Buy a friggin game boy pocket, there you'll get all the battery replacing action till you drop!
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    The non-removable battery argument seems to get strong in the event that the factory battery is as worthless as it is on the Vita and such.

    People (including myself, and even OPM back then) LOL'd at the ridiculously bad battery life that the original PSP-1000 had, especially when using it the way Sony intended us to use it (everything off UMD). There were already extended battery accessories being released before the system came out. But at least that one was user replaceable.

    The 3DS battery from Nintendo is also laughably bad, especially when compared to how epically long the DS lite would last on a single charge. But at least Nintendo also factored in being able to replace its battery fairly easy.

    Non-removable batteries on a device isn't as bad if the device itself can last a long time between charges. But the less it lasts, the more the public will see it as unacceptable.

    As I said, the reason that my friend's Droid RAZR MAXX is so lauded for its battery life, is that at least Motorola made up for not having a user-replaceable battery by giving it such a large battery in the first place, helping mitigate much of these concerns. Apple seems to finally have their head together regarding the battery with the latest gen of iProducts, with them lasting ten or more hours per charge. For the majority of users and usage patterns, that's basically a full day's worth of usage.

    If Sony had bothered to not half-ass the Vita's design, and granted a large enough battery for that level of usage per charge cycle, then the criticism of it having a non-removable battery (well, without voiding warranty that is), wouldn't be as bad as it is. But as consumers, it is in our interests to voice these concerns, even to a company that seems to hold its user base in such contempt as $ony so readily does.

    As for the proprietary memory issue, that's entirely $ony's fault, and is nothing more than a blatant cash grab. If Nintendo's 3DS games can get by without needing storage on the SD card, why can't Sony's Vita game card have space to store at least its save data? It isn't a fair comparison to the iPhone because the Vita already costs as much as Sony's home console, and is meant to be a gaming device first and foremost. An iPhone user can make due with less music and mp3's on their iDevice. It's entirely different to tell a gamer that they have to start deleting save data that they've worked weeks and months on to make room to store yet another oversized file.
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    Actually the thing locking up might be a valid reason to remove the battery, especially if there's no hard power off button. I had my iPod Touch lock up once in a way that prevented it from doing ANYTHING, including the shutdown key combo (hold power + home for 10 seconds I think it was). I had to wait for the battery to run out, which took about an hour. And it had only 5% charge remaining when that happened. If it was fully charged I wouldn't have been able to use the damn thing for over a day.
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    You've never been to /b/, have you?

    Mine locked up once too and the screen went full white, though I think the processor might have gone to full power at the time. I waited for it to drain as well, but it was far quicker.
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    Mine was on a black screen with low brightness, so yeah. I was lucky it only had 5% remaining.
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    I was playing a game on it at the time, as I recall. Screen banded to total white and it stayed quite warm. Still had most of its power remaining, but I think it took under an hour to drain. I don't know exactly, as I put it somewhere else, and was surprised when I went to check on it that it had already finished.
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    The real reason not to buy a Vita is because it only has about 4 good games after a year on the market, not because of a non-removable battery.
    Although considering how shoddily developed some Vita games are, a removable battery would actually be convenient. COD BLOPS Declassified can lock the entire console up completely in places.
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    Yea, that is kind of a problem. For the Vita, the only game I would want that I couldn't get somewhere else would be the new Katamari for it. Granted, there's no other portable platform wherein I could play Retro City Rampage, but that again could also be played on the PS3. And moreover, I already have it and beat it for PC.

    Much like the PSP, the one reason i would be interested in one, is for all the cool stuff that would be possible once it's hacked. Once that occurs, the bigger barrier would actually be the availability and capacity of storage there is... and that one is entirely Sony's fault.
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    If removable batteries are a dealbreaker then have fun not buying mobile electronics for the rest of your life.
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    some people, apparently not you, enjoy 20+ yr old gaming systems. the idea of a non-removable battery, or the hassle to remove one in a not-so-straight-forward manner, is offsetting to some.

    thanks for assuming.

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    According to the Catboy yes, Sony wouldn't like to see more Pandora Batteries being made so maybe that was the reason why you can't remove it without voiding your warranty, but later for some reasons if you have your Vita for more than 2 years or so and you want to buy another battery for it or a better one with more longetivity it would be stupid if you had to send it to Sony and pay for the battery replacement, still...
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    Forgive me for not thinking 20 years into the future when I read something stupid.
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    I can count a few more than 4 that I consider good, and I don't even play a lot of the games that other people seem to.
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    Too bad for you I just got the assassin creed bundle and it's awesome. Rayman Origins is amazing. As far as the battery is concerned just take off he back and unplug the damn thing and put in a new one same as the PSP go. It really not a big deal. If you have half a brain you're not going to throw out your vita when the battery dies. As far as games are concerned they have enough good titles that I can't afford to buy them all and that's good enough for me.
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    If the Vita's current library qualifies as "too many good games", I'd hate to see what you would have said back in the launch of the Sega Dreamcast, which objectively had the best console launch in history.
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    perhaps when you are older you will think differently. please stop calling someones thoughts stupid. the person who started this thread felt that issue was important to them. i see no reason to say that is a stupid reason to not buy a vita. its a perfectly valid reason to the person who started the thread.

    when it comes down to it, if you don't have anything positive to say, why bother posting?

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