New York terror attack

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  1. aykay55

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    Just to butt in, what the media calls Shariah Law is the Muslim countries' laws. That is much different than the real one. The execution of a plan is never the plan. Shariah Law is simply a guidance, and the countrues are simply merging it with their immoral practices.
     
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    Why don't you take the time to comment, "Not fond of Muslims, are ya?" on all the other comments that critical of them
    Look up the Talmud and see what moralities are behind those that run your country from New York, to LA/Hollywood.
     
  3. Hanafuda

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    Because this is a thread about yet another murderous terror attack committed by Muslim(s), so those comments are on-topic. Meanwhile you're in here going on rants about Jews. Jews didn't make that guy kill a bunch of people yesterday.

    If you want to blame all the world's problems on "the Jews," start a thread. See how it goes. This thread is about radical Islamic terrorism, and specifically the attack in NYC yesterday that killed 8 people.
     
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    Hitler in the making. It starts here. The Führer is back! Kommunist!
     
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    Usually with threads that talk about terrorist attacks, it eventually gets into people attacking the middle east, and saying they are all terrorist. Its good that we talk about this stuff to get rid of any misunderstandings about ME countries. It started with how safe countries are and eventually went into talking about gays in the middle east. It was a natural progression of conversation when concerning the safety of countries, and gays, and is good we talked about since people are learning things.

    Its a bit complicated.

    Its 100 lashes in the Quran. The death penalty is mentioned in the Hadith only for the married, its lashes for the unmarried.
    The Quran says to follow Allah and the prophet. So follow the Hadith as long as it doesn't contradict the Quran.
    You have people debating whether or not to follow the Hadith as there are fake Hadith out there.
    You also have a whole line of scholars that authenticate which Hadith are legit and which are fake. So its about interpretation and debating.

    Your right that not all Muslim countries are obliged to follow Sharia as every country is different. Some are more religious than others. Like for example even though Sharia is the law of land in Iran, with aspects of civil law retained, Iran seems to be the least religious country of all the Middle East. Whats more important to look at is what the culture practices. This is a problem with westerners when the criticize the Middle East. They read something in Sharia and they say they must be doing that over there, not true for everyone. Its like reading something in christianity in western countries and then say all christians are doing that, which is not true.

    @Madridi The majority muslim countries do not enforce hijab. (I'm mostly leaving this source for other people to read since you probably already know this)
    For Iran even though Hijab enforcement by law is bad (women should have a choice), you do have women wearing it further back showing more hair. Its not as strict as the early years of the revolution. And technically women are not suppose to wear tight fitted clothing either (like anyone actually follows the law exactly), you do see women in tight jeans and shirts, especially around areas like Tehran.

    And while people complain that Hijab is discrimination against women, and make it seem like women are only discriminated against in Middle East countries, no one mentions the 2 year forced labor every man has to go through called conscription. In Iran If they don't serve then they won't be able to leave the country, buy or sell anything in their names, get a license to work, use their university degree, etc. Basically a man will be reduced to a person with no rights.

    While people say the horrors of Irani women of walking around in public without Hijab and dealing with the moral police, no one mentions the horrors of a man being forced to go out in the battle field and having his limbs blown off and guts ripped out (Since nearly 100% of all combat deaths and injuries are male in Iran), having your friends you grew up with your whole life wipped out in a single day, and suffering ptsd, etc. This slavery is also something many middle eastern men go through and many western men have to sign up for, and be obligated to fight in wars.
     
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    What also doesn't get mentioned is men are also disadvantaged under sharia.

    Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) is a custom mostly perpetuated by women in Middle Eastern and African countries. The operation is done usually by the mid wife at the exclusion of men. FGM is mostly done by women but for some reason it gets blamed on men.

    In Afghanistan 60% of rape victims are male. You have the Bacha Bazi. So basically they kidnapped adolescent boys and turn them into sex slaves. The dress them as girls make them dance in front of a bunch of guys, then they rape the boys afterwards.

    In Iran and Afghanistan 82% victims of forced labor, forced drug trafficking, forced marriages, and forced rape are male.

    In Iran if a virgin has consensual vaginal sex outside of marriage, then she can sue the boy for mehrieh, and claim she assumed the boy wanted to marry her. Then the boy would be forced into marriage. And she will be legally paid mehrieh. You can think of mehrieh as 200 years worth of salary (or 200 years of financial servitude) for the average worker, that a man must pay a women in the case of divorce if a women claims her mehrieh. So the thing feminists complain about of forced marriage in Iran actually happens to men not women.

    Most divorces are initiated by women around 80% to 90%, and 30% of divorces happen in less than a year of marriage. 1 in 7 marriages end in divorce and in the metropolitan areas its 1 out of 3.5. So there is mehrieh fraud going on over in Iran.

    For now think of mehrieh as $140,000 US dollars, usually offered in gold coins which would be around 450 coins. Mehrieh can range in amount depending on what families negotiate during marriage. It can go as high as $367,000 US dollars or 1,370 gold coins. The average Irani worker makes $270 US a month. In 2013 20,000 Irani men went to jail because they were unable to pay mehrieh to their wives.

    When a women sues her husband for mehrieh, all of her husbands bank accounts are legally frozen and the man can't take out one dime out of his account. He is not allowed to sell or buy anything. If the man can't pay the mehrieh than he would go to prison until the entire mehrieh is payed by him or his family. All the mans belongings, including his house, his land and his car would be confiscated by the court and sold as part of mehrieh.

    Around 2012 they changed the law to make it easier for the husband. If the husband pays around 110 gold coins, which is $34,000 US dollars, then the husband is allowed to keep one of his apartments and he will be allowed to live in it. The man is then allowed to work and pay off his debt monthly by court order.

    The western equivalent of Nafaqa in Iran would be alimony. Their is no western equivalent for mehrieh. Western men that pay alimony are just glad they are not living in Iran paying mehrieh. Also Irani men can't leave the country till they pay their full mehrieh.

    If you read my first post on this comment thread then you'll realize that western media isn't always trust worthy.
     
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  7. Madridi

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    Why was I mentioned? Did you mean someone else? Or is there something I didn't get? :)

    Yes, Hijab is a part of a Islam, but it's not enforced in any country (even Iran it's not completely enforced)

    - About Hijab discrimination: Those who don't wear it, or don't want to wear it are the ones raising it up as an issue, which mostly comes from western countries. So no wonder it's an issue.

    - The conscription you mentioned has nothing to do with any religion. It's a country by country basis. Depending of their political standing, what they offer their people, and stuff. Advanced countries like Japan has it as well. It's also not a set period. Here in Qatar for example, it only started 2 years ago, and it's only a 3 month service. During which:
    1- You get paid in full by whoever you are employed with
    2- We don't get enlisted in the military or anything. It's just so that let's say the country is invaded, we have the necessary tools to defends ourselves and family. The purpose is to keep peace if anything were to happen.
    3- The country offers free electricity, water, healthcare, education, and gives a free piece of land for married couple to build with a loan of about $350k with zero interest paid over 20 years. We also have no taxes here (not on people anyway. There are taxes on corporations). So it's literally called national service. It's the least we can do.

    We also go through thorough checkups before we get enlisted and get exempt from anything that we can't do. I personally had a broken leg at one point, and it wasn't completely healed. So I was exempt from stuff that required physical strength.

    Given that we don't lose anything, and we retain all our rights, I wouldn't consider this "forced labor". Sure it's forced in the sense that you simply might not want to do it. But honestly, something is seriously wrong with a person if they expect the country to give them everything and they want to give nothing back.

    Qatar is also studying extending the national service for those who only carry a high school degree to a full year. In that year, they would be attending a full fledged military college, in which they would get a college diploma, certified by most major universities around the world that would allow them to build up on it to get a bachelors degree. In Qatar we actively believe that the number one investment is education, and while there are those who couldn't wait to start working after high school to get a job, the country in a way is forcing them to get a degree, while getting their salary. Brilliant step in my opinion and I hope it goes through.

    I know you probably are mostly talking about Iran, but I wanted to clarify that it's not a general rule.

    - Genital mutilation for females: This is as well not something related to Islam. It's an unfortunate tradition in mostly Africa (By Muslims and non-Muslim countries). It's decreasing among African Islamic countries from what I hear, but they are not common to begin with. The tradition is not country-wide, rather than some than traditions of some families. It's mostly in the suburbs rather than in cities, and it's mostly attributed to the lack of education.

    - About the death penalty: drifting away from what countries actually applies, I'll first talk about what Islam thinks about it. Islam takes it seriously. No one gets the death penalty for adultery without absolute proof. Even if I come in and testify that you have committed adultery, that's still not enough proof. I would have to have 2 (or was it 3? Too tired to think or look up atm) witnesses for what has happened. All of them explaining exactly how they could have witnessed such a thing happening, swearing in the Quran (swearing might be a non-issue in the west, but it's a big deal in Muslim countries, although obviously for some more than others) to what has happened. There are more rules to that but that's all I can remember atm. It's also applies in certain situations (married, not married, etc).

    Now, what the countries actually applies, as far as I know, Saudia Arabia is the only Arabic country (Arabic, not Muslim countries as a whole.. not sure about the rest, which is why I'm excluding them here) that has the death penalty. All of our judicial systems are a mixture between Islamic, French, and English systems. That's why you see a bit of differences between one country to the other

    - As for Iran: Iran is not inherently a bad country. They unfortunately do things differently. Most of what they do under the Islamic name does not represent anything in Islam. It just serves some sort of agenda. Fun fact: Iran wasn't always a tight up and closed country. It became like that with the last few rulers.

    While I'm at it, and to get back on track on this topic, I should also clarify that, what people call Islamic state (ISIS), they represent nothing in Islam. They have killed more Muslims that they have ever killed westerners. This type of thing is a non-news with the media. But if it happens in places like Paris or London or NY, it will get wide coverage. It's just how the media system works.

    ISIS's purpose is to give Islam a bad name. Muslims don't consider ISIS to be Muslims and as far as we are concerned, they can (and hopefully will) all burn in hell. So the notion of "radical Islam" is dumb to begin with.

    It's ironic and ridiculous how easy it is for a bunch of people to come by, cause chaos, and attribute it to a certain religion, and people around the world would take that attribution as a given.
     
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    I understand they are sick people, but when you die you just cease to exist. Its a shame modern religion exists like it does.
     
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    well the purpose of religion is to give people hope, so that they believe there is more to life than the old drag...but how will we know what there is after we die? not like dead people can talk to us
     
  11. aykay55

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    You just said something. JK
     
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  12. HamBone41801

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    on the web, you can choose to show only certain parts of who you are. most people only try to show the good. it makes sense that its easier to like people on the internet.
     
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    Idk, seems the opposite is true for places like youtube, tumblr, facebook and whatnot ;/
     
  14. HamBone41801

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    Is blood a cooking ingredient?

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    That's why I said try. Its different in communities like this. YouTube is more of an apocalyptic situation, or one massive game of king of the hill.
     
  15. sarkwalvein

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    It is an ingredient that is used to make Morcilla, that is some kind of Spanish sausage that you would probably classify as a type of "blood sausage".
    That thing is very tasty if you grill it (accompanying beef like in Argentine Asado), but it is also quite tasty in some kind of chickpea stew, Spanish style, together with some potatoes and bacon... oh hell, that is "guiso de garbanzos con morcilla" and it is very good, I am drooling right now.
     
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    Problem with youtube is that it's unmoderated.
    If it was moderated (impossible to achieve really...) then it wouldn't be such a cesspit.
     
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    I'm sure its delicious, but it doesn't seem as appealing on paper. I'll stick with my Arroz Con Pollo.
     
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