ROM Hack Game Center CX : Arino no Chosenjo 2 (New Start?)

[GHANMI]

Another week, another step closer to me ignoring my 3DS in favor of my DS. And something to motivate us all:

It's a boring job but little by little,
raise his level and it's an easy win!
Fly over the sea before your eyes!
His greatest rivals are flying birds; he hates them.
Go under! Go under!
Kacho Fighter keeps on fighting!

Aaand you should also ignore the 3DS sequel, Arino's Challenge 3.
It's a horrendous title, the more I see reviews and gameplay videos about it, an affront to everything that made the first two games so great.
A throwback to the era of shitty flash games with none of the flair and polish of the Indiezero-developed ones. Speaking of them, they're also the ones developing NES Remix 1/2.

(The 3DS is a fine piece of hardware though, me thinks. I'll wait for more Vita J-RPG support but I know I'll just do impulse purchase anyways a year or two down the line)

 

[Aaron Chmielowiec]

My goals for this week:

* finish the Triotos DX taunts
* put single byte character support for punctuation in the magazines and manuals
* polish up the magazines/manuals
* fix up the spacing in the Adventure Games
* do a more thorough check of the RPG
* make mockups of the Kung fu moves to put in the game

I don't know if I'll get all of it done in a week, but for me, that is all that is left to do for the game. Graphic-wise there is the manuals and magazines, the memo screen, daily challenges, Kung fu title and in-game special move titles, maybe a small tile swap for the Triotos games and...is that it? Maybe the ending "Owari" screen?

 

[AndrewRoks1998]

Triotos works fine, demo messages and all. Other than the global "Now Playing" in the bottom screen, when you win in VS mode, the background fills with 勝 tiles. 勝ち means "to win" but it says "You win!" right there so I'm not sure if I really have to do anything to those background tiles. Westerners can just see it as a pretty pattern.

Sorry if I'm a little late here, but here's another suggestion to replace the "勝".

Whether you use this one or draw your own, I think that a smiley face would be a good symbol to put there.

 

[usr_share]

I would put s for victory and s for defeat. AFAIK, these would have the advantage of being acceptable symbols for victory/defeat in such a game.

 

[Sora de Eclaune]

The only known copy of something and someone's ignorance lead to it being lost...

Is that translation project still in limbo? There is still work to do on this project but it is rapidly reaching it's conclusion. If that game just requires messing with bitmap files as a whole it might not be so bad to do.

Honestly, I could do bitmap files myself if it's really that simple. We could tag-team it, though. One person does images, the other does the tutorials. Wherever those are. Apparently my friend who was doing the translation looked it up and found that the files holding the in-game text might be proprietary formats no other game uses.

I would put s for victory and s for defeat. AFAIK, these would have the advantage of being acceptable symbols for victory/defeat in such a game.

Just saying, but my computer isn't displaying either of those symbols. Just boxes. You might want to describe the symbols you were trying to post...

 

[Aaron Chmielowiec]

Okay, all Triotos DX taunts are in place. That was far too much busy work...

Also, I assume we're leaving wonderful misspellings as is, right?

Hmm,　〇 and × are certainly possible. Here are the tiles I have to work with. Other than 勝 and 負 (Win/Lose), I see 完 (which can mean complete or finished depending on context) and another one 詰 but I'm not sure where that is used. I'm not even sure on the context. "Packed" or "Stuffed" doesn't quite do it for me.

 

[AndrewRoks1998]

Okay, all Triotos DX taunts are in place. That was far too much busy work...

Also, I assume we're leaving wonderful misspellings as is, right?

Likely, that's not a misspelling, but simply the game only putting each letter in once to save space, and reusing the same letters when they're needed again. For example, the title screen of the arcade game Frogger has the title screen graphics in the ROM as simply "FROGE", but it reuses the G and the R to form "FROGGER".

Here's a quick mock-up I made of how it should appear in game.

(it could also easily be the classic "CONGLATURATIONS!!" )

And here's a frown face to compliment the smiley face I made earlier.

I reused the smile and frown faces over the "完" and "詰" tiles, since they seem like different (possibly unused) wordings of the "勝" and "負" tiles. (i.e. packed/stuffed meaning you stacked enough blocks to hit the top of the screen, which makes you lose in most games of this sort)
Unless you know that those tiles are used for something completely different than the win/lose tiles, I'd suggest that you simply copy whatever win/lose tiles you use over them.

 

[MarkDarkness]

Aaand you should also ignore the 3DS sequel, Arino's Challenge 3.
It's a horrendous title, the more I see reviews and gameplay videos about it, an affront to everything that made the first two games so great.
A throwback to the era of shitty flash games with none of the flair and polish of the Indiezero-developed ones. Speaking of them, they're also the ones developing NES Remix 1/2.

(The 3DS is a fine piece of hardware though, me thinks. I'll wait for more Vita J-RPG support but I know I'll just do impulse purchase anyways a year or two down the line)

So it was indieszero who did NES Remix? Wow, I should have guessed... it's totally Game Center CX.

Yeah, the third game does look... poor. Aaron gave it a little review a few pages ago.

 

[Sora de Eclaune]

(it could also easily be the classic "CONGLATURATIONS!!" )

Could be one of these... (found all of these via google, just to make sure they existed)

• Congratulations!
• Congratulation! (just the one)
• Congraturations!
• Congraturation!
• Conglaturations!
• Conglaturation!
• Congratulations! You lose!

I particularly like that last one, actually. (edit: Google tells me that's from "Retro City Rampage". Huh.)

...hey, can I vote for it to say "Congratulsi"? I actually am quite fond of such a bizarre non-word.

 

[hippy dave]

I really wish they'd make a NES Remix for 3DS.

 

[Fishaman P]

...hey, can I vote for it to say "Congratulsi"? I actually am quite fond of such a bizarre non-word.

As much as that cracks me up, it doesn't quite seem appropriate for this translation.

 

[usr_share]

I thought "完" is used as "the end". At least, I've seen it in the ending screens of many games shown in GCCX videos. I think you can see it in Triotos if you beat the 1P RIVAL on LV. 10 or LV. DEATH. (When does it appear?)

And "詰" shows up when you get a game over in 1P ENDLESS mode. Makes sense, since you're not _losing_ to anyone.

Here's my ideas:

P.S. Talking about funny mistakes, beating LV. DEATH gives you the message that says "UMBELIEVABLE" with an M.

 

[Aaron Chmielowiec]

Okay, I have been going through the manuals and magazines (text) now that I finished with the Triotos DX taunts. I haven't gotten through all of them yet but I did find a number of places where a line ran a bit off the screen. (Sometimes a lot and it looped back around on the left side elsewhere).

I still can't get certain single byte characters to display like ' and " so I've been working around that limitation. With the quotation marks I can use a double byte one without a space around it and that works all right. The apostrophe is a bit of an issue. Right now I'm trying to write in a way that I don't need it, but it would be extremely helpful to be able to use that character. I was going to put it back in the font but I can't seem to find it anywhere.

In any case they (the manuals and magazines) are starting to look better now but there is still a fair bit to do on them. Give me a couple days to get through this all. It probably won't be "perfect" by then, but at least it should be more presentable; the first draft was a mad dash just trying to get the rough English in as a place holder)

Oh, I figured after I posted the letters were probably recycled. Still, part of me wished they did an NES Ghostbusters ending complete with "You have prooved the justice of our culture"

EDIT> Thanks for the Triotos suggestions.

 

[Sora de Eclaune]

Still, part of me wished they did an NES Ghostbusters ending complete with "You have prooved the justice of our culture"

I wish they could've left enough stuff to have "Congratulations! You lose!" on the lose screen.

As much as that cracks me up, it doesn't quite seem appropriate for this translation.

It's highly appropriate. Just as appropriate as the ending message of Ikari Warriors.

Also, I just stole that Congratulsi so it could be preserved forever.

P.S. Talking about funny mistakes, beating LV. DEATH gives you the message that says "UMBELIEVABLE" with an M.

Sound like an intentional mistranslation.

 

[Celice]

I booted up the original Retro Game Challenge earlier this morning, after a night of fun with friends... man, I forgot how amazing these games are. I was a fan before of this project and the work going into it, but I've rekindled my gamer blood. Can't wait for this to get released!

 

[Aaron Chmielowiec]

Trust me, the second is even better. After playing that so much, the first (while still awesome) just doesn't seem to rise to the same level.

I added the Chat and Telephone conversations to the repository and fixed some nasty bugs that would crash the game if players selected it in some cases (new line characters in a user choice dialogue is a no-no)

The manuals and magazines are going very nice (text). The graphics are almost done from what I hear.

In fact, most of the remaining graphics in the game are getting finished. If I can remember, I'll try to take a new video this week (later on) to show just how far it has progressed (and how it is nearing completion).

 

[hippy dave]

I just started the first Retro Game Challenge recently too. Looks like you'll be done with the sequel in plenty of time for me to get to it next

 

[Sora de Eclaune]

Trust me, the second is even better. After playing that so much, the first (while still awesome) just doesn't seem to rise to the same level.

I think the only reasons one would play RGC1 after playing RGC2 would be Guadia Quest or Haggleman 3.

 

[GHANMI]

I loved when Konami (before they died in the early 2000's) used to have the single "Congratulation!"

Here's my ideas:

The "FULL" is too small imho.
I would go with something like this, personally:

 

[Arras]

How about a tiny tombstone icon or something? I can't art so I won't try, but that might work for the left one?