Frequently asked questions about the Xbox360 and backups

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Dec 19, 2008
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    I have got a question.
    Does the 8x reading cause any problems playing online? I heard its quiter than usual. SO should I flash to 8x?


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    Flash to 8x? Makes no sense. Always burn backups 2.4x speed.
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    @triassic911 some of the earlier hacked drive firmwares on the 360 were set to read at slower speeds ostensibly to reduce noise of the drive (some are quite quiet but some are like a plane taking off). Naturally this ups load times.

    Re burning backups I say it does not really matter what speed if you have a decent drive and media.

    Back on topic newer firmwares lack this variable speed as far as I am aware, for what reason I do not know but "detection and so banning" has been floated as a possible reason and frankly it is one that makes sense if combined with other data.
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    DVD DL + R or -R? I've heard that both work, is this right? Which is better?
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    +R's are the only discs that work with 360s. This is because 360 games have special layer break information, and -R's have a set layer break. So +R's are what you'll want to use.
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    I have another question for you to add (and I kind of want the answer myself [IMG]). With the Xbox 360 flashed, will it play original Xbox backups as well?
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    Q13) Copied games from the original xbox games on the 360, can it be done?
    You can play copies of original xbox games, some scene/similar releases exist but for the most part people have to make them.
    I will need to find a better link than this but it is a start (the link is smilla969's guide which is the de facto guide to such things).
    http://360patches.com/index.php?topic=842.0

    Earlier firmwares allowed "normal" discs but these days all games need to be dual layer regardless of their original size (and they could quite happily fit on a CDR at points and usually hovered around the 2 gig mark). They really need to start out as 1:1 copies (no menus, hacks, mods) and naturally no homebrew exists.

    And then you have to hope it works with what the 360 passes off as emulation:
    US:
    http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/backwardco...tygameslist.htm
    UK:
    http://www.xbox.com/en-GB/games/backwardco...tygameslist.htm
    (that list does not get near to it: many games have issues despite being good to go).
    A site that often has some better info.
    http://www.xboxbc.com/

    Frankly I would buy an original xbox and mod that, less complex, less risky and the original xbox is awesome when modded (near PC grade media playback via XBMC and very good emulators for just about every system up to the PS1 and N64 among other things).

    While I am here:
    Q14) How often do (hacked) firmware updates come?
    This is usually a double barrelled question when people realise you can add a sata port to the xbox to facilitate "easier" flashing as part of casemod.
    No real answer other than more than two times a year for a major update would be rare.

    Q15) What is wave 3?
    It is the name given to a new variation of 360 games that include the recent NXE update in the video partition. As of May 2009 all new games feature it (and a good chunk of earlier games from March and April 2009 also feature it).
    The newer hacked firmwares include checks on these video partitions and inclusion of this update made for a new "valid size", this change caused iextreme (the main hack used by near enough everyone) to reject discs.
    1.51 and 1.6 updates fix this (1.6 is not available for Hitachi drives at this time (25th May 2009)). If playing games is your only concern there are no real differences from 1.51 to 1.6.

    There is also an older method involving the 1.4 firmware (a downgrade at the time) and hacking the isos by hand, such things are not advised and any discs hacked with this method will need to be discarded for 1.51 and beyond).

    Q16)Software tools of choice?
    I will leave flashing guides to others (fan of dosflash here) but this is a software question:
    xbins is the tool of choice for automated sorting of the IRC and FTP issues.
    http://360mods.net/index.php?name=Download...tails&id=29

    ABGX360: Some people affiliated with/behind ABGX (you may know the site from the release scene: http://www.abgx.net/filename/?ch=6 ) now do a tool which has since replaced the older tools like DVD mulleter (used for iso checking):
    http://abgx360.net/
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    Thanks for the quick answer. I think that's too much effort just for one game, even though I do want to play the game from that generation really badly. I guess it's time to give the PS2 emulator a try [IMG].

    Also, 1000 POSTS [IMG]!!
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    I have another quick question. Do you think Xbox's have a better chance of being banned if you download and play imports that are region free? I want to be as safe as I possibly can, and I'm wondering if that would be a factor to Microsoft bans.
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    Q17) Copies on Xbox live, possible and will I get banned from live if I do.

    Yes it is possible to backup games although as mentioned above you can only play backup games (1:1 copies) and you can not hack them like you can the wii ones (retextures and whatnot).

    Online is fine for most people although microsoft occasionally bans people if it detects you are playing copies. The bans usually all come at once (hence the term banning wave).
    Nobody really knows how it works but we suspect either

    bad burns of games do it (along with bad dumps; some of the "early"* (as in before release dates) releases are sometimes bad and with no frame of reference/way to compare until release date....)

    playing games online before release dates

    some have cast doubt on some of the modding methods (the xbox can tell if you power it without a drive connected as you might have to, realistically there is no reason to have it out other than to mod it).

    The "what causes bans" area is little more than rampant speculation most of the time though so I would not read much into it. [wild theorising]were I to be MS I would have a group of "probables" and only ban a select few of them at random, also I would use a combination of factors to try and determine who is up to no good[/wild theorising]
    For what it is worth though it is the 360 that is banned, not the account and you can simply move your drive/account to another 360.
    Unbanning was taken care of back in question 12) (it is quite hard and needs some specialist equipment and hardware and only works on earlier 360s).

    Regarding the specific region question: I would say not, all xbox 360 games are at present 1:1 copies (give or take the hacking to get them working) and any "region free" that exists was built in/allowed by the developers/their publishers.

    *early games. They come in two main forms:
    "reviewer copies": it is speculated that there are several grades of reviewer and some of the less privileged have a stock 360 and get sent review copies for that. These occasionally find themselves online and can be played on flashed 360s.
    Part of the problem is many of these releases are from p2p groups and while some are good at dumping games some are not (the same could be said for some of the scene groups but not as often).

    "pre sale copies": either from a game shop or from a pressing plant, these are retail copies and should be good. Occasionally shops break release dates and MS has stated in the past nothing should happen to these people (look back at GTA4 for this one).

    Q19) Homebrew on the 360; what is there and how can I do it?

    A bug was found in earlier kernels which meant homebrew could be run, however it was fixed and these earlier kernels do not support newer 360s (broadly speaking if your 360 supports HDMI then you can not do homebrew). Also older 360s that had a warranty replacement/fix will also be unable to run homebrew.
    It will also cost you the ability to run newer games and because of all this there is very little available.
    At this time you are encouraged to watch the google talks presentation on the xbox 360 security:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxjpmc8ZIxM&fmt=18

    Q20) Is there anything like the gamecube-IDE adapter or the flatmii for the 360?
    There has been a proof of concept demo but there is nothing commercial or even "homebrew" available on the subject.
    http://www.xboxhacker.net/index.php?&topic=8335.0


    Basically if your drive breaks you will need a proper replacement, if you do not want to send it to microsoft the same model is easiest although you can "spoof" another drive model and use that instead. Unlike the wii you can not just slot it in as the drive is locked to a 360 (hence the having to dump the firmware to mod it). For same model drive replacement you use the same methods as you do for flashing to play copies are used to replace (although obviously with the firmware from the xbox with the broken drive), spoofing is a bit more in depth (although nothing major and no extra hardware should be needed): http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox360-tools/36...wareToolbox.php
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    BTW , IT IS possible to play XBLA games from burned DVD...
    Just make this structure on your DVD /Content/0000000000000000/*TitleID*/000D0000/*XBLA Game*
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    I burned a cd with xbla games with that file structure and they list in the xbla but quickly dissapear. Besides the file structure is there any other settings needed? What program/setting are you using? Can they be unlocked or do they have to be untouched demos? Does media type matter like cd, dvd+/-r, dvd dl+r because I ran across a tutorial that says to cd will work but more recently I've heard the new dashboards only recognize dvd dl+r?
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    WeaponXxX Too F'in Blonde

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    I just wanted to say thanks to FAST6191 for picking up my slack on this topic while I was away. I know this post is the one stickied so I updated it with all of his new answers to frequently asked questions to make the answers easier to find for members. Also I know things in the 360 world have kind of exploded as of late and some new things need to be addressed. iXtreme LT, iXtreme NS, ect... I hope I can get to it soon.
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    Okay, I have not logged on Xbox Live in who knows how long...Maybe since October or September before the banning occured. I was wondering is there anyway I can check to see if I was banned without going on Live? And how do I protect my harddrive from corrupting or whatever it is that they are doing to modded 360's? What is this Jtag everyone is talking about now? I have not read up on any xbox related news in awhile. Is it the same process to flash to a IXtremeLT? Thanks
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    Not a problem WeaponXxX, I have a bunch more stuff that needs doing too with the return of homebrew.

    @imtony I am in a bit of a rush right now but

    Check: some have tried the call for RRoD repair but that is not that reliable it seems.
    Others that did not get hit are now fine again (even using pre LT firmwares) but I do not expect it to last.

    What they are doing: your 360 has the ability to sign data for use in other consoles (OK that is bad wording as it could also mean the revoke lists stuff as well, it does not mean that here at this point in time) and install data to the hard drive. Being banned removes this ability.
    You can usually restore it by dumping the NAND finding an old secdata.bin in the dump and replacing the new post ban one with it. Aside from dumping and flashing which is nothing special it is pretty much all automated these days.

    Options 2 and 3

    2) Rather than searching the NAND dump for an old file you can have an entire pre ban backup. The only real risk here is you restore a backup that is too old and your efuses do not agree, this is not too hard to work around if you pay attention to what you are doing and make sure you are using the latest updates.

    3) Write protect the NAND, you can do it with a single pin but most people install a switch. Obviously you need to do it before the ban hits but this way when MS press the self destruct switch it can not hose the secdata.bin up and you retain all the abilities.

    As for LT flashing it is the same as the old firmwares, JTAG is something else entirely and if you have updated since August the 11th last year you are out of luck as it was blocked.

    JTAG enables homebrew which is nice and getting even nicer (we have a few emulators now) but it also enables the rebooter kernels that have such things as
    region free
    no sign checking- free DLC, XBLA and ability to install games as games on demand (no more DL discs) and hacked games.

    This is also the "3 months on" stage of things.
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    Can i Copy my pirated game inside my dvd into another dvd(empty dvd)?do i need a special software or something other than a dvd burner?
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    My boyfriend tried to flash his lite on drive but after jungle flasher said it was successful he connected it too the TV and the disk drive opened and when he shuts it opened back up again. The power light just constantly flashes green is there something that he’s possibly done wrong. it says that everything has been done successfully.
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    I have a problem making a copy of the XBOX game Morrowind for my XBOX 360. When Imgburn read in the game it produced a iso and a dvd. I have burned this 3 times and failed.

    1. on a +R
    2. on a dual layer using the DVD that Imgburn made
    3. on a dual layer using the layer break for 369 games

    In all the above my XBOX 360 says to play the disk on an XBOX.
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    Say I don't want to go through all the trouble of flashing a 360. Where would be the cheapest yet most reliable place to buy a pre-hacked 360 ?

    Thanks in advance for replies [IMG]
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    WhiteX New Member

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    Hi, do i have to update firmware to play newer games?

    Not interested in LIVE, only SP

    Thanks

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